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I'm coming up on 10,000 miles on my 22 WRX and I've had maybe one instance of it not wanting to go in gear. Did super well in the mountains and as a daily driver. It did struggle to start after being in the cold yesterday (20F / -7C). It's been a champ aside from the absolutely horrendous infotainment software.
 
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When temperatures are 20'ish or below, my 2nd gear is really sticky in my STI until the car has warmed up a couple minutes. Has been since day one. For four years I've had to be gentle, let the clutch out, blip the throttle, push the clutch back in, and gently wiggle it into gear. Or, just skip 2nd and nearly bog the motor in 3rd. I was in a shit mood the other day and it wanted to lock me out. I shrugged my shoulders and yanked that mother into gear resulting in a loud clunk. After all these years... it felt good...

I'm done with all of the finicky shit with my car. I'm ready to be done with constant unresolved alignment issues that I just dealt with in two VA STI's. Pulling the car to the left on my highway commute is awesome, when I'm not in the left lane taking advantage of the roadway crown. I made sure to drive the WRX on the highway for a good ten minutes and it was much easier. I also won't miss the insane rear dash rattle I have right now. It low pitch buzzes loudly at me during every low RMP shift or deceleration.

The one thing I will never miss, is a good sounding motor. Aside from that, I'm ready for spring.
 
Not particularly, but they are usually drowned out by the engine.
Really? Have you ever heard an LT4 in rock 'n roll mode? The Hellcats make a glorious noise, too. They are ferocious. I do agree that the exhaust note can be addicting. A supercharger doesn't mute the exhaust note like a turbo does. Even the AMGs are a bit muted. The lil' 4 pot had a bit of a bark but didn't roar or growl like the LT4. OK, the GT-R had a song to it.
 
Really? Have you ever heard an LT4 in rock 'n roll mode? The Hellcats make a glorious noise, too. They are ferocious. I do agree that the exhaust note can be addicting. A supercharger doesn't mute the exhaust note like a turbo does. Even the AMGs are a bit muted. The lil' 4 pot had a bit of a bark but didn't roar or growl like the LT4. OK, the GT-R had a song to it.
Lol turbos don't mute anything, it's the mufflers. Have you heard an otherwise stock fa20 with muffler delete? Even with both cats and turbo it sounds like an angry chainsaw and is loud enough to annoy people in the next zipcode.
 
Lol turbos don't mute anything, it's the mufflers. Have you heard an otherwise stock fa20 with muffler delete? Even with both cats and turbo it sounds like an angry chainsaw and is loud enough to annoy people in the next zipcode.
Seriously (again)? You think a turbo, spinning at 30,000RPMs or more, strictly off of exhaust gasses does not mute the exhaust note. Really?


Quiet Engines
As the air in a turbocharged engine is filtered through more pipes and components, the intake and exhaust noise is reduced and refined, making for a quieter and smoother engine noise – perhaps one of the most unexpected benefits of a turbocharged engine.
What is a Turbo Engine and How Does It Work? | Redex (holtsauto.com)

To compare a 4 pot to a god invented (and Smokey Yunick) V8 is well .... Yes, I've had a Fa20 engine in a WRX. We've had a CLA45, too. The AMG 4 pot had a barking note with the pops on upshifts from the DCT. The starting point is that many people running LT4s at NCM, Sears Point and most any track with decibel limits have to run turn-downs to pass the sound box under throttle.

I may be a bit snobbish, but a busted chainsaw doesn't seem to hold the same visceral impact as a Hellcat set to rock 'n roll
 
Exhaust / Turbo / Supercharger... whatever. It's the sound. I know a V8 with a good exhaust sounds great. I also know an I4 liter bike sounds great with a good exhaust, also V4 MCs (Honda Magna, Valk), and boxer 4s. I had a Jeep Wrangler V6 with a Borla exhaust that sounded damn good. Every engine and exhaust system has it sound and character. I've heard plenty of V8s, I4s, V2s V6s, Boxer 4s that sounded like shit (even though the drivers were loud and proud). I hate the high or mid pitch loudness that I like to describe as fart-cans on 4 bangers, Different engines need different equipment to sound "good" (and loud does not equal good). I have the STI exhaust on my VB and love the deep bass tones. The more I drive it, more I like it.
 
Seriously (again)? You think a turbo, spinning at 30,000RPMs or more, strictly off of exhaust gasses does not mute the exhaust note. Really?


Quiet Engines
As the air in a turbocharged engine is filtered through more pipes and components, the intake and exhaust noise is reduced and refined, making for a quieter and smoother engine noise – perhaps one of the most unexpected benefits of a turbocharged engine.
What is a Turbo Engine and How Does It Work? | Redex (holtsauto.com)

To compare a 4 pot to a god invented (and Smokey Yunick) V8 is well .... Yes, I've had a Fa20 engine in a WRX. We've had a CLA45, too. The AMG 4 pot had a barking note with the pops on upshifts from the DCT. The starting point is that many people running LT4s at NCM, Sears Point and most any track with decibel limits have to run turn-downs to pass the sound box under throttle.

I may be a bit snobbish, but a busted chainsaw doesn't seem to hold the same visceral impact as a Hellcat set to rock 'n roll
Lol, read the wording again, that link says reduced, not muted, big difference. The turbo might be theoretically quieter than the same engine straight piped but it's still loud enough to blow out your eardrums.

Turn downs are not unique to V8s or NA. Plenty of turbo engines with active exhausts have to switch to the quiet setting for some tracks.

More to the point, all engines FI or NA are way too loud for daily road use without a muffler. That's where you fine tune your exhaust note.

Not sure a cross-plane v8 is god designed :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. Personal preference but the sound is annoying, I6 and V10 sound way better and are more balanced.
 
Lol, read the wording again, that link says reduced, not muted, big difference. The turbo might be theoretically quieter than the same engine straight piped but it's still loud enough to blow out your eardrums.

Turn downs are not unique to V8s or NA. Plenty of turbo engines with active exhausts have to switch to the quiet setting for some tracks.

More to the point, all engines FI or NA are way too loud for daily road use without a muffler. That's where you fine tune your exhaust note.

Not sure a cross-plane v8 is god designed :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. Personal preference but the sound is annoying, I6 and V10 sound way better and are more balanced.

An I6 is a balanced engine. A V10 isn't. That is just math. There isn't a balance point in a V10. It is like saying an I5 is balanced (times 2). It isn't. 3 up and 2 down or 2 up and 3 down, times two. A V6 isn't a natively balanced engine either.

FWIW, I have never seen a stock exhaust 4 pot ring a decibel bell at any track. LT4s ring them all the time, with the stock exhaust. Yea, I've even owned a V4 that I had a modified exhaust on. It was loud enough. I didn't find it melodious. Yea, the AMG GT-R rang the bell at COTA. So did the higher horsepower AMG E63S. AMGs typically have their exhausts tuned to be a bit raucous.

Most also agree, however, that turbos have a knack for muffling engine noise, lowering the tone of the exhaust note, and layering on whooshing sounds. That’s no fun, particularly for brands that have built cult followings around the glorious exhaust notes of their naturally aspirated engines Ferrari Patents Novel Method for Making Turbocharged Engines Sound Better | News | Car and Driver

I'll stick to my guns about turbos muting (muffling) the exhaust note. I'll take C&D's word as authoritative.
 
An I6 is a balanced engine. A V10 isn't. That is just math. There isn't a balance point in a V10. It is like saying an I5 is balanced (times 2). It isn't. 3 up and 2 down or 2 up and 3 down, times two. A V6 isn't a natively balanced engine either.

FWIW, I have never seen a stock exhaust 4 pot ring a decibel bell at any track. LT4s ring them all the time, with the stock exhaust. Yea, I've even owned a V4 that I had a modified exhaust on. It was loud enough. I didn't find it melodious. Yea, the AMG GT-R rang the bell at COTA. So did the higher horsepower AMG E63S. AMGs typically have their exhausts tuned to be a bit raucous.

Most also agree, however, that turbos have a knack for muffling engine noise, lowering the tone of the exhaust note, and layering on whooshing sounds. That’s no fun, particularly for brands that have built cult followings around the glorious exhaust notes of their naturally aspirated engines Ferrari Patents Novel Method for Making Turbocharged Engines Sound Better | News | Car and Driver

I'll stick to my guns about turbos muting (muffling) the exhaust note. I'll take C&D's word as authoritative.
Balanced sound, not mechanical balance. Cross plane V8s sound lumpy and inconsistent.

Yes turbos and anything else will reduce the sound but it's in no way muted, it's still way too much for road use. There's a reason even non road-legal turbo track days specials have mufflers.
 
Lol, the i5 and ferrari v12s might wail, the LFA and S85 have them all beat.
The s85 is absolutely monstrous. There is one around here with valved exhaust. When that guy opens it up the sound is incredible.

I almost bought an e60 m5 for that very reason. I just couldn't justify the maintenance as it would be a daily driver. The dcg clutches don't last long and the manual isn't really geared for the high rpm V10 so it's kind of a dog.
 
An I6 is a balanced engine. A V10 isn't. That is just math. There isn't a balance point in a V10. It is like saying an I5 is balanced (times 2). It isn't. 3 up and 2 down or 2 up and 3 down, times two. A V6 isn't a natively balanced engine either.

FWIW, I have never seen a stock exhaust 4 pot ring a decibel bell at any track. LT4s ring them all the time, with the stock exhaust. Yea, I've even owned a V4 that I had a modified exhaust on. It was loud enough. I didn't find it melodious. Yea, the AMG GT-R rang the bell at COTA. So did the higher horsepower AMG E63S. AMGs typically have their exhausts tuned to be a bit raucous.

Most also agree, however, that turbos have a knack for muffling engine noise, lowering the tone of the exhaust note, and layering on whooshing sounds. That’s no fun, particularly for brands that have built cult followings around the glorious exhaust notes of their naturally aspirated engines Ferrari Patents Novel Method for Making Turbocharged Engines Sound Better | News | Car and Driver

I'll stick to my guns about turbos muting (muffling) the exhaust note. I'll take C&D's word as authoritative.
Take your "balance" and stuff it.

Have you heard an I5? There isn't much better. The swan song for the petrol engine. Every ICE-powered car sold today should have an I5. Let's go out with a bang!
 
Yes turbos and anything else will reduce the sound but it's in no way muted, it's still way too much for road use. There's a reason even non road-legal turbo track days specials have mufflers.
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Neon SRT-4 Turbo had no mufflers from the factory.
 
Are you sure? I’ve only read all SRT4s had no mufflers, I even saw this when they were new.
It was either mufflers or resonators and no, the SRT-4 did not have them.

That car was the last great piece of shit performance car.
 
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