I think you might have misunderstood what we said about the VF39 and VF43. If purchased used for a good price, they are a great upgrade for budget minded guys with TD04's. Of course they are not the "best" turbo if price is less of a consideration. For $800-900 I'd rather go with a new FP 18g than a VF43. We actually happen to have a very lightly used 20g on consignment from a regular customer for about the same price. I REALLY like the 20g for guys with a 2.5L. Still great spool with a lot more power potential.