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Idle surge and no acceleration in boost

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#1 ·
03 WRX
COBB AP 93 Stage 2 tune
Catless TBE
AEM short intake (out of the box tune)
STI TMIC

Problem:
Car sat for a week and went to start it and it fired up and idled pretty normal and after about a minute or 2 it started surging from about 500 rpm-1000. Car drives fine if its under boost. If I give it gas and get it into mid boost it just feels like I'm pulling a dump truck behind me.

Attempted problem solving:
Did the ol carb cleaner test to see if there were any vacuum leaks around couplings, ends of hoses, etc. Probably even over did it but no changes in idle. Cleaned MAF which was not dirty at all. Unpluged MAF, car died. Not showing any codes either. Cleaned the IACV and replaced the gasket which looked fine anyways. No dice. Tried swapping out the IACV for a known working one. Again no worky. Unplugged IACV, idle increased to about 1500 and stayed steady. Fresh tank of 93 oct gas. Installed a Hallman Boost controller last night, since my pro tuner prefers tuning with that and it didn't help either (didn't expect it to). Any other suggestions?
 
#3 ·
Oil level appears to be about the same level it was. It ran great. Sat for a week. And started it up and it does this. If I drive under boost, car runs great till I start going up a hill, etc that puts strain on the motor. Then it starts stalling and sounds like it wants to backfire. And of course the idle surges from 500-900ish. It does have a kill switch that I turn off whenever I shut the motor off. Could that reset the ecu? I tried swapping a different untuned ECU over and it ran the same. tried scanning with the COBB for codes but it just says none found. I'm about to rip my hair out.
 
#4 ·
Oil level appears to be about the same level it was. It ran great. Sat for a week. And started it up and it does this. If I drive under boost, car runs great till I start going up a hill, etc that puts strain on the motor. Then it starts stalling and sounds like it wants to backfire. It does have a kill switch that I turn off whenever I shut the motor off. Could that reset the ecu? I tried swapping a different untuned ECU over and it ran the same. tried scanning with the COBB for codes but it just says none found. I'm about to rip my hair out.
Re-flash the Stage 2 tune and log the following parameters on the AP:

Boost
Throttle Position
Dynamic Advance Multiplier
Feedback Knock
Fine Learning Knock
RPM
Calculated Load


Take the system out on the road and drive it hard. Post up the log file and link here.
 
#6 ·
Yeah IIRC you can't log with the V1 AP.

HOWEVER, you may still be able to log. If you contact Cobb, they may be able to get you up and running with AccessTuner Race, which can datalog.
 
#11 ·
It won't even get into boost. It like slows down and then starts jerking if I try to give it more gas so I have to down shift to a lower gear so it stays out of boost and slowly take the hill by my house. If I try to keep giving it gas, it will go up to about 8-9psi. I havent adjusted the MBC, either....
 
#12 ·
OK, I would seriously suggest putting the OEM EBCS back on the car. Without a datalog, it's virtually impossible to diagnose anything. Follow my post below and contact Cobb.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Kind of sounds like a bad fuel filter. I'd look at A/F learning and fuel pressure (with a gauge in the line temporarily).



Check for leaks in the intake track, make sure the filter box is closed, torn turbo inlet coupling etc.


(this in addition to what Zax is saying, not disagreeing with him at all).

No codes? That part seems bizarre.
 
#16 ·
Yes, no codes when I scan it with the COBB AP. I haven't tried a normal scanner though. I'm going to try the fuel filter tonight. I know it's one of the things that havent been checked yet.

I doused every vacuum line, every coupling, I'm talking everything with carb cleaner, and noticed no real change in idle, even though it was idle surging the whole time anyways. If it is a vacuum leak, it has to be one hell of a leak. I havent checked the gauge pod line but I would think being inside the car, you would hear it leaking but I'll check it anyways.

In the meantime, will try and find a way to datalog it.
 
#18 ·
Ran learning view and got a list of no memorized CELS but a nice sized list of temp DTCs

DTC TEMPORARY: P0500 VEHICLE SPEED SENSOR A
DTC TEMPORARY: P1591 NEUTRAL POS. SWITCH LOW INPUT (AT)
DTC TEMPORARY: P0480 RADIATOR FAN RELAY 1 LOW
DTC TEMPORARY: P0136 REAR O2 SENSOR CIRCUIT MALFUNCTION
DTC TEMPORARY: P1230 FUEL PUMP CONTROL UNIT MALFUNCTION
DTC TEMPORARY: P0131 FRONT O2 SENSOR LOW INPUT
DTC TEMPORARY: P0132 FRONT O2 SENSOR HIGH INPUT
DTC TEMPORARY: P0037 REAR O2 SENSOR LOW INPUT
DTC TEMPORARY: P0245 WASTEGATE SOLENOID A LOW
DTC TEMPORARY: P1096 TGV SIGNAL 2 (OPEN)

I have a rear O2 fix in (I'm guessing maybe thats what the p0037 is for?
TGV signal 2 (open) has me wondering if this could be why the car won't boost and idles like ****... What TGV sensor would it be anyways pass or driver?
 
#19 ·
Sheesh.

Just to hazard a guess, if all that stuff crapped out at once, maybe a major connection in the harness got loose.

I'm wondering how you get a high and low input cel for the front O2 for example.

I'm almost wondering if the ECU bricked.
 
#21 ·
Oh. That is a whole different ball game.

The front O2 and most likely the TGV should not be throwing those CELs as a solid assumption. The TGV issue would be involved in the idle issue likely, and generally running like crap, and the O2 would be more running like crap on top of that as your A/F is probably whacked. The front O2 is known to have a limited lifespan (~120K). The rear O2 is just a catalyst checkpoint - if the cel fix was working there should be no cel there. Also I thought Cobb disabled the common rear O2 CEL the fix is for, but the "malfunction" part makes me think that may be a different code.
 
#24 ·
So. Replaced my TGV sensor last night. Reset ecu and ran learning view again. Same code came up. Well I looked and somehow or another the sensor near the firewall was unplugged. So I plug it in. Bam code gone. NOW p1092 comes up. Which is TGV valve stuck open. looked into manualy moving it to see if it would. Stuck solid in the horizontal position. Freed it up and worked it back and forth and it finally started moving with no effort. Put the new sensor back on (making sure to preload it) and thats as far as I got. It said stuck open but if the tab on the ends is in a horizontal position, doesn't that mean the TGV is closed??
 
#25 ·
NEW ECU... no difference

Stupid question. But aren't a lot of my codes the same as what you get if the car is in test mode?
The fans and fuel pump would cycle in test mode, HOWEVER my fuel pump is hard wire and my fans are on switches. CEL light on the dash is most likely not working. Seems far fetch but my A14 orange wire could be grounding somewhere in the spaghetti wiring. Best way to bypass it? I'd rather just run a whole new wire than take apart that mess (ghetto, but if it work, I can deal with that)