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VF34 vs VF39?

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#1 ·
Hey guys, I am a noob when it comes to Turbos, and had one real question at the moment.

What i the difference between the VF34 and the VF39?
-Is it the lower the number the more horsepower or the other way around?
-Do either require any modifications to the Downpipe or any other parts, or is it plug and play with the stock turbo?
 
#2 ·
vf39 if im not mistaken is a 04-05 sti turbo which is still gonna put more power to your rex, safely too, but alot of people seem to like the vf34 it spools pretty quick its compared to the vf30 but it just spools faster than that, but its more or less how much more power you want, but a vf34 is gonna give you more power than a vf39
 
#5 ·
I was thinking the VF39 was what came in the STI's but I wasn't 100% positive. I know I want more power then that out of my car at this stage. I will definitly look into the VF34. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly.
 
#6 ·
My company supplize me with a company car ...a 2007 F150 Truck. My wrx sits in my grandmothers garage covered and only comes out on perfect days, or meets. Thats why you never see me. If you do it will be a silver 2004 WRX with slightly tinted windows.
 
#4 ·
vf34 has a larger exhaust side housing - and ball bearing center cartridge

Makes a little more power, and gets there a little faster. Also isn't known for cracking on the exhaust side like the vf39 is.
 
#11 ·
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134280074


IHI turbo.
The VF series (VF22, VF23, VF24, VF29, VF30) are the most common direct replacement turbos. All VF-series turbochargers use the same roller bearing, water-cooled core assembly. The differences are in their wheels and housings to achieve different flows.

The VF22 has the largest potential for peak horsepower. In other words, in the IHI model range, the VF 22 supports the highes boost levels. It is capable of running up to 25 psi. Because it is a roller bearing turbo, turbo lag is minimal...the boost comes on around 3300 rpm. Expect to max out the VF22 somewhere in the 400-450 hp range.

The VF23 starts the middle ground. It comes on boost around 3100 rpm and is capable of running 20 psi of boost. Expect to max out the VF23 somewhere in the 300-350 hp range.

The VF 24 starts to come on around 2900 rpm and will significantly improve power through the midrange over the stock TD04 turbo. However, the VF 24 is only capable of running around 17 psi.

The VF23 and VF 24 are a great replacement for those who value drivability higher than maximum power.

The VF29 & VF30 delivers a very wide increase in torque over the standard TD-series turbos. It is important to note that the VF30 is not a roller bearing turbo.

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VF22

This turbo has the highest output potential of all of the IHI VF series turbos and is the best choice for those who are looking for loads of top end power. The top end power however, does not come without a cost. The VF22 spools significantly slower than the rest of the IHI models due to the larger P20 exhaust housing and is much less suited for daily driving than some of the other models. Although the largest VF series turbo, the VF22 is not quite optimal for stroked engines or those who wish to run more than 20PSI of boost.

VF23

This turbo is considered a great all-around turbo. Like the VF22 it utilizes the largest P20 exhaust housing. This housing is mated with a smaller compressor housing of the of the VF24. This turbo is considered optimal in applications with range from mild to slightly wild. It does not have the same top end power of the VF22, but spools up significantly quicker.

VF24

This turbo shares its compressor housing with the VF23 however, this housing is mated with a smaller (P18) exhaust side. The smaller characteristics of this turbo allow it to provide ample bottom end power and quick spool. This turbo is very popular for Imprezas with automatic transmissions and Group N rally cars.

VF28

This turbo came standard on the STi Version 5. In terms of overall size, it is smaller than the VF22, VF30 and VF34, and about same size as the VF23.

VF29

This Turbo is nearly identical to the VF24, with the same compressor and exhaust housings. However the compressor wheel in the VF29 is has been changed slightly. The changes made to the compressor wheel in this model are generally viewed as improvements, and as such this unit is typically chosen over the VF24.

VF30

The VF30 is commonly considered the best bang for the buck turbo in the IHI VF series line. A relatively new model the VF30 features the same exhaust housing as the VF24 but a larger compressor side similar to the VF22. The combination of these two parts results in increased output potential without the lag associated with the VF22. Although it doesn't offer the top end supremacy of the VF22, the VF30 is a great compromise between these unit and the quicker spooling models.

VF34

The VF34 is nearly identical to the VF30, with the same exhaust housing and compressor. However the VF34 goes back to the ball bearing design, and in doing so achieves full boost approximately 500RPM sooner than the comparable VF30. The VF34 is the most recent IHI design and as such costs slightly more than its counterpart. Top end performance and maximum output are identical to the 30.

VF35

VF35 The VF35 has identical internals as the VF30 and it uses divided thrust bearings. However, the exhaust housing is a P15 which means this turbo will have fantastic spool characteristics. This turbo is standard on the new WRX Type RA. LIMITED SUPPLY.

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VF36
Roller bearing version of the twin scroll VF37, also has a titanium turbine and shaft for even quicker spool. Same compressor housing as VF30/34, however twin scroll P25 exhaust housing provides slightly better top end output due to reduced exhaust pulse interference. This turbo is good for 400HP and used on JDM STI Spec C from 2003 onwards.

VF37 (thrust bearing)
Enter the age of twin scroll IHI turbos. Same compressor housing as VF30/34, however has a new twin scroll P25 exhaust housing that provides slightly better top end output due to reduced exhaust pulse interference. Twin scroll also provides better spool up for improved low down response over the VF30/34. This turbo is good for 400HP and used on JDM STI from 2003 onwards.

VF38
Twin scroll turbo with titanium turbine and shaft. Smaller compressor housing than VF36/VF37 provides tremendous spool up capabilities but less top end than VF36/37. The spool capabilities of this turbo are demonstrated on the JDM Legacy GT, which reaches peak torque at 2400RPM.

VF39
Single scroll turbo used on USDM STI and latest 2.5L STIs released internationally. Smaller than VF30/VF34.

VF42
Exclusive turbo to the S203/S204 models, this features a twin scroll design with a slightly larger compressor than the VF36/37 turbos and different turbine design (more blades). The VF42 is a roller-bearing turbo and is likely of similar size to the VF22 turbo, but with twin scroll exhaust housing for faster spool and superior top end performance due to reduced exhaust pulse interference.
 
#14 ·
No problem, I'm tired of posting links to it. I'm just gonna start cutting and pasting the info into threads when people ask. More people will see it, and hopefully they will start posting links to other threads that have the info.
 
#16 · (Edited)
jpjester said:
The water spray unit, is that hooked into your ECU? I mean how does it know when to release some spray? Is that worth purchasing or not really in my situation.
If you're talking about the STi intercooler sprayer, there's a reservoir located in the trunk (right side), and a button next to the HID light level switch to spray.

EDIT: http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53864
Big Sky WRX was nice enough to do a write-up of this install - take a look ;)
 
#17 ·
The spray is engaged by myself from what I am reading, that is correct right?

Furthermore thank you for posting that, I appreciate it. I will have to take a look and some so reading.

Next question: What Walbro Fuel Pump would you recommend for me upgrading from the Stock WRX turbo to the VF34 Turbo?
 
#19 · (Edited)
Sounds Good .... Thank you for the suggest.
So right now here's my parts setup:

Turbo: VF34
Kit: Perrin Hose Kit
Intercooler: STI TMIC
Fuel Pump: Walbro 255
Injectors: Deatschwerk 650s
Tune: Protune @ http://www.agileauto.com

Is there Anything else I wll need? Any parts or anything? Please let me know. I am looking to purchase these parts, bring them to my Uncles Shop ( Minus the Tune) and go HERE, Install these please.
 
#22 ·
AFAIK - the vf34 should spool up a little faster, and the 16G should have slightly better top end

let us know how things turn out
 
#23 ·
So the way it looks I will be purchasing the following parts within the next month:

Turbo: 16g
Intercooler: STI TMIC
Injectors: Deatschwerk 565cc
Fuel Pump: Walbro 255
Hose Kit: Perrin Hose Kit

I spoke with Christian today at COBB Tuning and he let me know they will be re-releasing the Basic Protuner, for individual cars shortly. So I am going to just throw up the COBB Accessport Map for the 16g temporarily as it's setup for the injectors and all. Once the Basic Protuner is out, I am going to have my Uncle Street Tune my WRX. He is a professional tuner based out of Horsham PA doing tuning for mustangs, vets, extra on his Dynocom. So he is going to Street Tune mine with the Basic Protuner. Yet, i'd really love to know how long they are looking at till releasing the tuning software.
 
#24 ·
Show this to your uncle: www.romraider.com

Use the AP for a short while, then sell it after your uncle tunes your car using open source.
 
#25 ·
Thank you for that link, I will have to show him next time I see him. I would assume he would be familiar with something of that sort as he is use to dealing with tables and all with his other tuning.
 
#29 ·
Probably 10-30hp/tq more, but the spool characteristics are differint due to the bearing design and the exhaust housing differences. They end up feeling quite close to the driver, the difference being that while the vf34 spools up just a little faster, it also hit's just a little harder too.

It's a good turbo, but it is pricey. Consider the turbo's original implementation from the factory and you'll understand why the vf34 has a cult following. It's not the best, hell - I don't know if there really is a "best" - but it's good, really damned good.
 
#28 ·
dont know if you care but a vf39 is much easier to find for cheap than a vf34. atleast from my experience it is.