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rough idle and shuts off at stops or anytime clutch is pushed in.

7.9K views 63 replies 4 participants last post by  Michaelstep21  
That is what I was thinking. Guy probably Didn't tune it. So that's what I was going to do. But I wanted to change to a front mount intercooler and change the plastic bov. And didn't want to pay twice for a tune. Would it last until I can get all that or should I just get the tune and pay twice when I'm ready
There's no good answer but without a tune, the intake and bov can kill the engine in days. MAF metering doesn't support BOV and there's no performance benefit to an "upgraded" BPV. Stick to stock.

Also why FMIC? Set a goal first and decide on parts according.
 
Again, you are going at this backwards. Decide what improvements you want and then look for parts. You don't need a fmic unless you are going to uprated turbos, closed deck blocks and well over 500hp. Also you get more turbo lag, the piping is a headache and you lose the factory crash beam. Cobb and others provide a replacement beam but those have not been crash-tested so there's no way to know how well they work. Also insurance could use the modified crash structure as a reason to screw you over.
 
Okay I didn't know all that. The tune shop just suggested a cobb fmic and bov kit didn't say anything about having to upgrade the turbo or anything about a closed deck block. Which I don't know what that is. All they said was doing a walnut blasting on the intake. So for now just getting a tune. What is a good upgraded turbo for later then?
There's no drop-in. You will hit the stock engine's and transmission's limit long before the stock turbo, i.e. you are looking at engine out, drivetrain swap and 20k+in cost.

Read around on forums for all options before you decide what to do. In general flex fuel, 3 port ebcs and a slightly bigger tmic will get you a decent bump in power at a decent price. Add a higher flow j-pipe and you are close to the stock engine's, specifically con-rods' limits. If you wait for the end of the year, Cobb should have an EPA compliant kit out.
 
Metal chunks or honeycomb (catalyst) pieces? 😟

Any error codes? Call the tuner right away, they should be responsible this soon after a tune (not legally mind you, just morally or as customer svc). There may be some serious damage already.

I'd trailer it to a real specialist, not this jackass who recommended a fmic and bov kit as step 1 and clearly put a shit tune on it.
 
If it was metal chunks, you would see major damage to the front of your dad's car. If there's no damage, something else is going on.

A smoke test on intake & exhaust should show up any leaks or cracks. For intake any vacuum hose other than vacuum pump will work, for exhaust you can rig it to O2 sensor bung & tape over the tailpipes. I'd get a compression and leakdown test as well just to gauge engine health. Good luck and let us know what happens.
 
No worries, broken cars are annoying. I think you were screwed over by this "tuner" shop and the previous owner. None of their suggestions from the start made any sense. I still think smoke test, compression and leakdown are your best bet. Maybe pull & check turbo, it's relatively easy on this engine. Don't rush the resolution on this.
 
looks like some scoring on the wheel but not significant. More than looks or surface finish, it's typically the center bearing or seal that gives out first. If you can borrow a dial indicator, the FSM should list max allowable play in bearings. A rebuild and rebalance will cure any problems, if they exist.
 
Original poster / discussion starter. Can't remember where the term started, reddit maybe.

Right. "Gutting" is what people use to refer to removing the cat material from the mid pipe. Basically turning the OEM exhaust into a test pipe.
If I gut the catalytic converter would I have to get another tune?
Lol, I read "if I get the catalytic converter" instead of gut & thought new/used cat. :D
 
That's one of them. The first catalyst is a j-pipe. The O2 sensor is installed after this, then the mid pipe in your image which has the 2nd cat & resonator. Pull the exhaust if possible & figure out which one's broken.

J-pipe:

Mid pipe:


Also both are often available on ebay as takeoffs from people who upgraded.
Mid pipe:

J-pipe:
 
Catbacks can be changed without a tune. Any aftermarket cat is a risk right now. Read around on forums for more info but in summary: EPA+lawsuits=Cobb no longer allows you to turn off emissions codes. No aftermarket cat so far has been proven to work reliably every time although anecdotally many of them work for some people.
 
No downpipe on FA20 engine, that's only on STi for this gen.

There's no relation or matching between j-pipe and catback, the tomei catback will work with any oem/aftermkt j-pipe and will be sound only. You might need a 2.5"-3" adapter somewhere but that's a small cost.

Aftermkt j-pipes can provide better performance. But they are inconsistent. You can take two identical cars, put the same j-pipe on both with a tune and one might work fine while the other occassionally throws codes.

Cobb and grimmspeed discontinued their j-pipes. I've heard good things about VSC and turboXS. I personally like the idea of having VSC parts on my car but can't decide if it's worth playing roulette with a 1300$ j-pipe plus tunes.
 
J-pipe is the main cat, the chunks that broke off from it probably took out everything after it.

That 2nd midpipe thing has a catalyst and a resonator, I don't know which is which. The catalyst will probably have a sheet metal heat shield wrapped around it.

If the chunks got out, there's a good chance some of it is stuck in your exhaust's Y-pipe & mufflers and has probably broken stuff in the mufflers.
 
Probably. As long as you were tuned with stock j-pipe and gutted mid pipe, you should be fine. If the 2nd cat was gutted by the chunks shooting out of j-pipe it might be a problem. That's a decision for you based on what the midpipe looks like.

The other part is the competence of this tuner. They have already given you lots of bad and weird advice and didn't work with you when the cat blew right after the tune.
 
FRS, not supra. That's a bmw I4.

And no, it's not even close to the same engine. Pistons, heads, CR, dual vs gdi, NA vs turbo, there's very little in common. Plus exhaust is specific to engine and body. That said Tomei does make exhausts for wrx.