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There are other domestic V8 choices that perform far beyond the STI, either at the track or the strip. These can be configured to cost less than a STI.
Absolutely. The direct comparisons between such different tools are always tough for me to swallow, though.

Are there options that perform better? Sure! What if I wanted a 4 door? What if I wanted 4 driven wheels? What if I wanted something that fares well in Autocross?

Also, we have to define "performs better." The 6G Camaro is a great turn-key solution that you can drive to and from the track. They tend to be not-so-great on the Autocross course... I believe they might even be classed in G-Street.
 
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Absolutely. The direct comparisons between such different tools are always tough for me to swallow, though.

Are there options that perform better? Sure! What if I wanted a 4 door? What if I wanted 4 driven wheels? What if I wanted something that fares well in Autocross?

Also, we have to define "performs better." The 6G Camaro is a great turn-key solution that you can drive to and from the track. They tend to be not-so-great on the Autocross course... I believe they might even be classed in G-Street.
Zach, I think the 1SS 1LE does very well in autocross. I am surely not an authority on autocross, but there are several folks that run these at the national level. The performance versus the practicality question is where the WRX and STI shine. I still believe that the WRX/STI cars offer the best performance, functionality, fun and economical combination on the market. We have three vehicles to cover what the WRX covers mostly on its own (OK the truck part is still a truck thingy all by itself).
 

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Zach, I think the 1SS 1LE does very well in autocross. I am surely not an authority on autocross, but there are several folks that run these at the national level. The performance versus the practicality question is where the WRX and STI shine. I still believe that the WRX/STI cars offer the best performance, functionality, fun and economical combination on the market. We have three vehicles to cover what the WRX covers mostly on its own (OK the truck part is still a truck thingy all by itself).
I suppose that depends entirely on the autocross course. As I also understand, the courses out west tend to be much more open than the tight, technical stuffs here on the east coast. These days, I like a vehicle that is fun to me and puts a smile on my face. The performance aspect is only the tip of the iceberg. I suppose these stance kiddies were onto something after all. #YOLO
 

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id love to see how different configurated wrx's and camaro ss's stack up to eachother in auto x. i cant help but feel like putting bigger sticker tires on the camaro would flip that game on its head. and what if both cars were given full on slicks? assuming both cars wouldn't just break under the massively increased stresses those tires would allow for. i dont know much about auto x but i do know that 200 hp should be more than enough to compensate for 400 lbs. or is auto x just such a particular thing that 400 lbs and awd is just too much to overcome?

speaking to the op, ive had my 18 wrx since september now i like the car a lot but it does have some issues that cannot be fixed through tuning alone. my biggest gripe is its 2nd gear by far, its way too tall, and this is a problem the sti does not have. im not quite to the point of regretting not considering an sti more seriously... yet.. but i cant help but wonder if i am learning bad habits because of this...

i dont think the rev hang is completely solved by the cobb stage 1 or the map stage 1, they seem to make it better but do not get rid of it entirely. this could be due to the flywheel being heavy? tho i have no evidence to suggest this, or it could just be in my head.

im not going to go into great detail breaking down this comparison as the subject has been beaten worse than daniel craig in casino royale. i just wanted to share a few of my thoughts.
 

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Good question, Stanley. I have been autocrossing lately and used to have a '99 Z28. I have a '15 wrx now. To be honest, I would give the edge to the Camaro in autocross. For one, the torque of the V-8 is always there just about everywhere in the rev range, and throttle response cannot be beat, especially in the LS series engines. That is a big deal in autocross because you have such limited space/time to accelerate - every 10th of a second counts. A lot would depend on tires. Cheap crappy tires, and the wrx might beat the Camaro. Good sticky tires like Goodyear Eagle F1's the Camaro has a definite advantage. My Camaro was lowered on Strano springs, SLP Bilstein shocks, adjustable suspension, beefier torque arm, etc. It would have done very well in autocross. No way my current wrx would touch it. Wrx's do very well of course. That Subaru understeer is always there, and quite annoying. Waiting on a rear sway bar I ordered. There are a couple Camaros (late model) including a ZL1 in the club I currently go autocrossing with. They do pretty well. They can get tail happy on you if you push them too hard, so a lot depends on the driver as well. Also, a small track the wrx will do better, a bigger track will favor the Camaro.
 

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Good question, Stanley. I have been autocrossing lately and used to have a '99 Z28. I have a '15 wrx now. To be honest, I would give the edge to the Camaro in autocross. For one, the torque of the V-8 is always there just about everywhere in the rev range, and throttle response cannot be beat, especially in the LS series engines. That is a big deal in autocross because you have such limited space/time to accelerate - every 10th of a second counts. A lot would depend on tires. Cheap crappy tires, and the wrx might beat the Camaro. Good sticky tires like Goodyear Eagle F1's the Camaro has a definite advantage. My Camaro was lowered on Strano springs, SLP Bilstein shocks, adjustable suspension, beefier torque arm, etc. It would have done very well in autocross. No way my current wrx would touch it. Wrx's do very well of course. That Subaru understeer is always there, and quite annoying. Waiting on a rear sway bar I ordered. There are a couple Camaros (late model) including a ZL1 in the club I currently go autocrossing with. They do pretty well. They can get tail happy on you if you push them too hard, so a lot depends on the driver as well. Also, a small track the wrx will do better, a bigger track will favor the Camaro.
Is the ZL1 a 5th Gen or a 6th Gen?

For me personally; steam roller wide tires (285 fr / 305 rear), eLSD, MRC and all; I can't see me tackling an autocross event other than just to do it to say I've done it. With 650 pound feet of torque maximum, with 500 pound feet available at 1800RPMs, would make it more of a drifting event than an autocross. I am sure that I would get arrested for murdering orange cones.
 

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6th gen. The guy that has one in our club does pretty good. Usually a bit better than the wrx's. He has good tires and watches tire pressure close. That much power definitely has to be treated with finesse. Watching all the wrx's, porche's and Miata's, then see that beast coming out sounding like an enraged demon is entertaining. It is a bit too big for the small tracks, though. Bigger ones that are closer to 2 miles long are more where it is at home.
 

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6th gen. The guy that has one in our club does pretty good. Usually a bit better than the wrx's. He has good tires and watches tire pressure close. That much power definitely has to be treated with finesse. Watching all the wrx's, porche's and Miata's, then see that beast coming out sounding like an enraged demon is entertaining. It is a bit too big for the small tracks, though. Bigger ones that are closer to 2 miles long are more where it is at home.
Mine is fine on the 2.75 mile, 16 turn NOLA Motorsports Park or NCM Raceway's (National Corvette Museum) 3.2 mile Grand Course. You can upgrade to the Good Year F3R Supercars from the standard F3s and get a bit more grip. Trade off is short life span for the F3Rs.

Under any condition, I am just old and slow. Someone has to be last.
 

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It is not uncommon for V-8 cars to get 27-29 mpg. My Z28 could consistently, and it was an automatic. 6speed versions could get 30.
I can get 26-27 mpg in the S8, and that is with close to 700 HP. 8 speed Tiptronic certainly helps here. It at about 1700 rpm @ 65mph. Do I often get this MPG? Hell no. lol.
 

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I can get 26-27 mpg in the S8, and that is with close to 700 HP. 8 speed Tiptronic certainly helps here. It at about 1700 rpm @ 65mph. Do I often get this MPG? Hell no. lol.
I expect not, lol. Those F-bodies were geared higher than cars today. A 6-speed Camaro/firebird would only be turning 1,450 rpm at 65-70 mph in 6th. They had 3.42:1 gears in the back, so not too bad off the line. People would switch to 3.73 or 4.10 in the back - at least the ones that liked to go drag racing. Bone stock I did 13.5 sec 1/4 mile at 108 mph. That is with an automatic and 2.73 gears. But I've always preferred something with turns, myself. That's just me.
 

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I started my WRX life with a 2011 GR hatchback. I loved it and at the time was of the church of STI not being worth the almost 10 extra grand. Then the VA chassis happened and after reading and watching reviews was convinced that this time it was worth the upgrade. I had to feel this new STI that drove like a 911, so I traded in my 2011 for a 2015 Launch Edition STI. I loved it and last year at the halfway point of my payments and I had stopped taking it to the track. I had to experience this FA engine that I kept hearing good things about and even more so the improvements to the suspension and the noise "reduction". I traded in the 15 STI on a 18 WRX Premium. I immediately noticed how much more revvy the FA engine is and the torque curve is much wider but you have three things to deal with that are pretty much eliminated with even a COBB OTS tune. The evil Rev hang, the 50% throttle response when you only have about 20% dialed through your foot. Worst of all is the power cut off at about 5500 rpm (that I hated the most). The COBB tune got rid of all that and made it much more livable and I still saw 30+mpg. Now I am on the MAP Stage 1 93 tune and it's a different car altogether, tons more pull than the COBB and no effect on MPG. I do miss the STI's transmission and I see traction control kicking in on my fun "spots" on my commute where the STI just executed with no sweat. Other side benefits is my insurance went down almost $600 per year and I am leasing this 18 WRX so my payment was about $200 less. I am leasing because I know I will jump on the 2020 bandwagon and get the new car. Bottom line, if you are going to track and compete in autox events etc get the STI, if you just want to have a blast in your commute and spend less time and money at the pump. Get (lease) a WRX.
 

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I got my 2018 STI in February (Keep in mind that you'll have about a 3 month lead time to delivery). Fuel economy wise, if I'm in Sport mode and driving casually, I'm usually around 23mpg, if I'm in the mountains or back roads and on and off of the clutch and coasting, then I'm up around 27+. The STI is fun, but most of the mods you may want to do, you could do them on a normal WRX and save yourself a big price tag. As to insurance, if you sign up for the starlink with theft recovery, it'll save you a lot since it will work like a lojack as far as the insurance company is concerned. In the end, gotta balance it between what you can afford, what you need and what you want.
 

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this is an extremely delayed response, but how on earth do you see 35-37 mpg? I have had my 2019 for 3 weeks and I don't see over 26 on 93 octane
 

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I had a friend with a wrx (not STI, so FA engine) that said he could get 35 mpg. He was stage 2+ though, on a custom etune. Theory behind why stage 2 wrx's can do that is that they don't have to be in boost hardly ever unless you want to get on it. I am close to that in the summer with just a Cobb stage 1 tune. I tried the MAPerformance tune for a while and did not like it. A lot of lag there. Not much power there until you hit over 4k rpm. Also much worse fuel economy. I get much better fuel economy on the cobb tune and it still pulls well to redline.
 

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Well some of our 10-15 days of winter have set in. Temperatures were near freezing this morning. It will warm up to around 50 degrees later in the day. I'll take my ol' junker out and run it a bit. I want to circulate the fluids and tires. I will likely end up adding a bit of air to all 4 tires. Garage is insulated and has A/C but no heat.
 

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I bought the 2017 WRX back in June of 2016 but if I was thinking correctly I would have bought the STI without the whale tail.
And now you can't buy a new WRX or STI with a manual trans. Bummer......
 
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