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I can't believe noone beat me to this silly post. The 2.2L turbo is very doable. Actually has been done. I believe the fastest time posted by a WRX was one sporting a 2.2L closed deck turbo ( 10 sec 1/4). Adding AWD to an SRT-4 is still just fantasy. Beat to death already!!!!!!
 

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plus, if they did put AWD onto the Neon SRT-4, itd raise the price tag a tad bit more... so lets just forget about the Neon... ...cause well, it is still just a neon.:rolleyes:
 

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Does anyone have any idea what the cost of doing a 2.2L on a WRX would be? Also whats involved in doing that? Is it just boring (sp?) out the engine?

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2.2 turbo WRX? it has been done!
GC8E2SD
and it is called 22B STi.
cost=50,000
why? because there are only 400 of them,,,


ok back to reality,,,, last timeI checked with Dan @ godspeed, I think he quoted me a 2.4 stroke kit for 5G range, that shoule build a moster.
 

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ok ok ok ok ok, SRT-4 <------- add zippo and will still make the WRX look silly in a straight line, increase boost and silly turns to crazy, kooky silly.....
 

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Add zippo?? Not sure what that means. You need to come back to reality.

Reality:

WRX has AWD

Neon does not.

Quit saying "add blah blah blah to such and such car and it would smoke the WRX."

Why not say: "Add a friggen rocket jet to a bathtub and it would kill a Viper in a straight line!!"

As for 2.2L turbos I will have one shortly. How about 2.5L? There are tons of those guys running around here in the states. I'm still not sure what your point is.
 

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I'm not sure what the quibbling is about either. You are right, neon doesn't have AWD....therefore with more torque and more power to the wheels...stock vs stock...the WRX is going to get whipped from anything other than a standing start...bad. In "reality," this is obvious.

VV

P.S. Not everyone needs or wants AWD. Even though Subaru tells you so, it is not the end-all/be-all they make it out to be. Great for balls to the wall launches and great for adverse weather (a must have for me), but like I said...not for everyone.


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Add zippo?? Not sure what that means. You need to come back to reality.

Reality:

WRX has AWD

Neon does not.

Quit saying "add blah blah blah to such and such car and it would smoke the WRX."

Why not say: "Add a friggen rocket jet to a bathtub and it would kill a Viper in a straight line!!"

As for 2.2L turbos I will have one shortly. How about 2.5L? There are tons of those guys running around here in the states. I'm still not sure what your point is.
 

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Yup, not everyone wants AWD. I would have to agree that anything than a standing start and the SRT-4 would be significantly faster in a straight line. Do the math, 300 lbs. weight advantage and 20 - 30 bhp / torque advantage....like I said, it could be 'silly' without the SRT-4 needing anything (ie: with it needing 'zippo' 'nada' 'nilt' etc). Go have a look at how many people race in here and brag about their kills etc....the majority of them are straight line races....well imho the SRT-4 will make the WRX look 'silly' stock vs. stock. Yes the 0 - 60 times and 1/4 miles may be similar but anything other than a standing start and the SRT-4 will pull away quite easily imho....

ahhh, gas to the fire...burn baby....burrrrrrnnnnnnnn
 

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You guys are arguing about a car that isn't even being sold yet. That means nobody knows how fast it actually will be. For all we know, Dodge could be giving these magazines a faster car so that people will pre-order them and boost sales. When they get the car into production, it could be watered down. It's stupid to say that a non-production car is going to be faster when you haven't even seen one except in a magazine. Besides, I still won't buy a car because it's "faster" than my WRX. I like it too much.
 

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The car is in production. The facts are: 2,800 lbs. 2.4 litre turbo running between 10 - 15 psi (boost depending on gear rpm etc) will be very fast. Simple. Yes there are other variables but at the end of the day the above factors make it fast, only question is how fast :)

PS: Once again I state that there is no way I would buy one of these over a USA WRX let alone my JDM Sti-7. All the other facors ie: AWD etc make the WRX a much better package even for the 5 - 6k more $, but I still stand by the fact that in a straight line the USA WRX will look 'silly.'
 

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It's not being sold yet at any dodge dealer that I know of.

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Just got back from the dodge site. Just started production at the beginning of this month. Becomes available at dealers in January.
 

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That's great! I mean, more competition for us REX'ers. It's all well and good if someone wants to buy the SRT-4 and mod the hell out of it. I'm happy that the domestics are coming out with something for the tuners. I'm not happy, however, that they chose a neon. But at a reasonable price, it'll be owned by many a tuner out there. I don't care if it can beat me in a straight line, or whether I can beat this or that car. I'm only concerned at how fast I can go. If they mod it, great! If they turn it into a ricer, I'm gonna beat on the hood of the car with a baseball bat!:mad:
 

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The SRT-4 should be fairly quick, about the same as the WRX. But I wonder how stout the engine really is, and how good the chassis of that car is? Anyway, just wondering. Plus I hope to god I dont get beat by that thing when they hit the streets, If I do by some fluke get beat by that thing :rolleyes: , I will go into withdrawls, possibly drop a S/C LS6 engine in my Rex:cool:
 

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I've already seen a couple neons with SRT4 badges on them...man rice can be found anywhere.

I'd love to build my motor up to a 2.2 as well, but what relation does this have to the SRT4 other than the displacement?

Two totally different cars that were designed with the enthusiast in mind. We can all get along :D
To think a few years back the only affordable imports that we had were GSRs and GSTs. I personally welcome manufacturers to continue to build performance orientated machines, this will invariably lead to better performance for the consumer down the road.
 

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Glad to see that some are looking at the SRT-4 in a slightly nicer view.

I am sorry to say that it will be faster than a WRX in a straight line stock vs. stock. Standing start it will be close but rolling start and the SRT-4 will pull a good mark ahead by 60, 70 etc mph...imho....just look at the numbers, weight vs. bhp, torque, etc

No worries though it is still a FWD car and its a NEON; however, one can not argue that it is superb value for money. under 6 secs 0 - 60 for under 20k....very nice imho :) well done Dodge !

WRX and STI's are still the BOMB though !
 

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I saw the Feb '03 edition of SCC at the Subaru Tuner here in Dallas, TX (Forced Induction Systems). They measured the AT WHEEL hp of the SRT4 to be 223 hp! Do you think Dodge is under stating their hp (kind of like Chevy did with the LS1 Z28's)? If so, that car's engine hp is more in the neighborhood of 250hp. Either that or they submitted a pre-production cheater to generate hype (which some car manufacturers are guilty of). Who knows? Just gotta wait for the production models to hit the streets.

Like Razor said, though, on paper the credentials are there -low weight, big torque curve, big hp, front mounted intercooler. Also FWD does have lower drivetrain losses than AWD which is an advantage in the higher speeds.
 

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Sorry, I think it was the January 03 issue of SCC where I read that. It was the big $20k car comparison of those 8 compact cars (Protege, Spec V. Mini Cooper S, SRT4, Civic Si, etc). Did anybody else read that?
 

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Yea I read it. That is where all this started from. I posted after reading the info about the SRT-4. They have understated the BHP figure for sure. This is basically what I was trying to say when I first posted but I guess the 'silly' thing upset a few people (which was not my intention). I was just amazed at the performance this car is going to give for under $20,000 fully loaded with every option (which is only two I think :)

It's going to be very fast, 2,800 lbs. and 250 ft. lbs. of torque is UK STi fast, 6 speed gear box or not. Remember the UK Sti is 3,100 - 3,150 lbs with 255 ft lbs. of torque, not sure if the 6 speed will compenstate for the etc 300 lbs. of weight. Yes the UK Sti may be faster to 60 mph becuase of AWD lauch but imho the SRT-4 will be very close if not faster from a rolling start...scary really when you think that the UK STi probably will be starting at $35,000 in the USA ! Again, there are many other things that make the STi overall a hugely better package; however, when you are cruising at 45 mph in a $35,000 STI and a kid in a $20,000 SRT-4 pull ups next to you and floors it and you can't blow by him then this would bother a few people imho....


Said it before will say it again 'I would not have a SRT-4 over a WRX; however, the SRT-4 is great value for money"

I can feel some people eyes slowing beginning to open...:)

Cheers,
Ray
 

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Said it before will say it again 'I would not have a SRT-4 over a WRX; however, the SRT-4 is great value for money"

I can feel some people eyes slowing beginning to open...:)

Cheers,
Ray [/B]


I agree that it's opening other people's eyes. And their wallets. I just hope that the neon doesn't become the next civic because of the under $20,000 price tag. Let's just hope that some smart tuners get their hands on those.:D
 

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I know that when they tested the SRT-4 that it didnt have any catalytic convertors and muffler. So the hp/torque rating may be slightly off. This is just what I have read, if anyone else has read the same thing, tell.
 
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