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After 3 wonderful years and 60,000 miles.. and the end of my warranty I decided to trade my WRX CVT in for a nice down payment on a GOLF R DSG. My car is a daily driver, 4 days a week I drive nearly 95 miles round trip and I live in the northeast. I don't race but I enjoy being able to merge fast and drive in all conditions. I decided on the Golf R because this is the last year before a 2 or 3 year wait for it to return to the US, and this is a "bucket list" car for me, as the WRX was as well. In addition the WRX CVT had one issue its CVT. It is horrible and the car is really only drive able in S# sharp. Beyond this the WRX was the best car I have ever owned and sadly i cannot afford two cars.. if I could I would keep it, even out of warranty.

Has anyone else made the change from a WRX to a Golf R? What were the things you missed?

I take pickup in a few days and I am a little nervous.

Anyways, I enjoy these forums and hopefully will still be allowed to visit even without being a WRX owner in a few days.
 

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What's there to be nervous about? The Golf R is a superior performer to the WRX and the fit and finish of the interior of the WRX doesn't even compare. Enjoy your new car and congrats.
 

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Golf R makes a great daily driver.

You'll appreciate the additional performance and economy. The only downside to the Golf R is the astronomical price tag, but the upshot is the resale market is incredible.
 

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The one I drove felt like it had immense torque in vacuum and felt like a v6. Definitely better for daily driving just for that.
 

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golf r dsg > wrx cvt

wrx 6speed > golf r 6speed

sti 6speed > golf r 6speed
 

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OP, how are you liking the Golf R?

Germz, comparing a Golf R to a WRX is like pairing a heavyweight against a lightweight boxer.

It also just depends on what you want. As a daily driver, the WRX and STI can't match the Golf R. I couldn't believe how refined the car felt when we looked at one. As a modded car for pure speed, the WRX and and STI can't compete, either. A modest APR flashed Golf R will walk both a STI and a WRX. Even stock, it's laughable how slow our cars are compared to some of the competition:


Granted the above race was a CVT vs. 6 speed, it doesn't seem like the STI would have a chance even if the Golf R were a 6 speed. Does the Golf R handle as well as the STI? I don't know. But, I'd be willing to bet it would be cheaper to make the Golf R handle as well as a STI than it would be to make a STI as fast as a Golf R in a straight line. I've seen many youtube videos of Stage 2 STI's getting bested by stock Golf R's. Again with the easy APR tune and there's no comparison.

The only thing I can say out of pure speculation is that the STI is probably more engaging to drive. But, when I'm ready to get rid of my STI after 5 years of ownership, I'll be nearly 40 years old. Even in my mid 30's I often feel silly driving my big winged race car. I'd feel more comfortable dropping my kids off at school in a Golf R. I'd feel more comfortable taking my Golf R on a road trip. I'd feel more comfortable taking the Golf R on a date. People talk shit on reliability, but there's a reason I won't mod my STI. I wouldn't own either once the warranty is up, but that also brings up that point that the Golf R was offering a 6 year 72k mile warranty when I was looking at it.

It's very hard to justify calling the WRX or STI superior to the Golf R. In the end, personal preferences will win out over anything and maybe that was the point of your post. However, the tangibles are too hard to overlook even when comparing the slightly higher price tag compared the the STI. My STI was $40,000 with only Recaro seats, push button start, "carbon fiber" trunk trim, door edge trim, and a short throw shifter. Even though I considered the Golf R, the choice for me was the STI. That was largely in part due to Subaru giving me a $4,000 credit toward a new STI, because my 2015 had a suspension ghost, which allowed me to drive it out the door completely paid for.

Did you drive a Golf R? I did not, so my perspective is only limited to what I've read and a good amount of time looking the car over at the dealership. I hope you don't take my tone for being insulting. I'm just trying to make good conversation.
 

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I agree that comparing Golf R to a WRX or STI is like apples to oranges.

With that said though, I think if we compare a manual Golf R to a STI (assuming everything is stock and OEM) then the STI is more fun to push and throw around but the Golf R (as you said) is far more refined and a superior daily driver. Now a Golf R with DSG is better than any WRX (stick or CVT) or STI because that is probably one of the best bang for your buck true dual-clutch transmissions in the market. I test drove a 2019 Golf R w/ DSG and a 2017 Golf R w/ 6-speed manual and they were really nice, comfortable, and sporty. But the WRX "feels" sportier, at least from my perspective.

Overall the Golf R is a better car but personally I prefer the look, styling, and more aggressive "feel" of the Subaru. But then again I'm still young (early/mid 20's) and prefer driving something I can be in that reminds me of the Fast & Furious series. I know that my next car might seriously be a Golf R with DSG. The amount of performance people get through APR for those vehicles is incredible.

So to answer you OP, I would admit that you made a good choice and one that I see myself doing down the road. Congrats again and good luck! Cya on the other side! :)
 

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A Golf R is $40,000. That's track package Mustang GT/Camaro SS range. Aggressive looks and feel, if you're willing to live with a couple. That's probably the route I'll go when our daughter is old enough to hop in the back seat and buckle herself in.
 

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A Golf R is $40,000. That's track package Mustang GT/Camaro SS range. Aggressive looks and feel, if you're willing to live with a couple. That's probably the route I'll go when our daughter is old enough to hop in the back seat and buckle herself in.
Definitely sounds like a good route to take. I will admit though that the Golf R will still probably handle better than the Mustang or Camaro. Don't get me wrong though, I love American Muscle. A buddy of mine in Virginia has a GT350 and another friend has a SS 1LE. Both were very fun at the Summit Point Raceway when we went a while back.
 

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A Golf R is $40,000. That's track package Mustang GT/Camaro SS range. Aggressive looks and feel, if you're willing to live with a couple. That's probably the route I'll go when our daughter is old enough to hop in the back seat and buckle herself in.
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I was actually looking at Golf Rs the past two weeks.. I really really liked them. Trying to decide if i should go with one myself. As a DD sports car, it was a blast.
 

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Definitely sounds like a good route to take. I will admit though that the Golf R will still probably handle better than the Mustang or Camaro. Don't get me wrong though, I love American Muscle. A buddy of mine in Virginia has a GT350 and another friend has a SS 1LE. Both were very fun at the Summit Point Raceway when we went a while back.
Actually neither the Golf R or the GT350 handle anywhere near as well as the SS 1LE. More than one review has stated that this is the best balanced car out there. The GT350 is still plagued by sloppy handling and a want to over-heat after 3 hard laps. There are the rear diff issues, too.

The GT350R does a bit better. However, that price point puts it over the ZL1 and well... it simply loses every single performance measurement in those head to head reviews, against the ZL1.
 

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FWIW, they have now supposedly fixed the overheating issues of the GT350 w/ this latest model year.
I have read that. There is also a fix for the oil use problem, too. I don't spend any time on the Mustang6G sites, so I don't have much more information than what I wrote. I do know that the regular Mustang GT with PP1/2 have over-heating issues and the fine print says they are not made for track use.
 

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Actually neither the Golf R or the GT350 handle anywhere near as well as the SS 1LE. More than one review has stated that this is the best balanced car out there. The GT350 is still plagued by sloppy handling and a want to over-heat after 3 hard laps. There are the rear diff issues, too.

The GT350R does a bit better. However, that price point puts it over the ZL1 and well... it simply loses every single performance measurement in those head to head reviews, against the ZL1.
You're telling me the Camaro SS 1LE handles better than an STI or Golf R with DSG or a GT350/GT350R? This I gotta see. I know they're crazy well balanced cars for their size but that's a tough pitch.
 

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I’m not exactly a big Camaro fan but I know it’s capable.
From Car & Driver...

“Once on those roads, the Camaro excels. It’s not exactly playful. It is instead precise. The steering system is a no-slack, hyperlinear control device. And though it’s wearing narrower front tires than the Mustang, the Camaro 1LE has immediate and certain turn-in. Its somewhat less aggressive Goodyears help the 1LE deliver 1.11 g’s on the skidpad, stop from 70 mph in 140 feet, and claw through the slalom at 45.3 mph. Those numbers effectively match the Mustang’s. The difference is that the Camaro never feels as though it’s breaking a sweat while performing those feats.”

Those skidpad numbers alone are very impressive.
 

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You're telling me the Camaro SS 1LE handles better than an STI or Golf R with DSG or a GT350/GT350R? This I gotta see. I know they're crazy well balanced cars for their size but that's a tough pitch.
Easily outhandles on a road course.

They are somewhat unwieldy on an AutoX course.

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You're telling me the Camaro SS 1LE handles better than an STI or Golf R with DSG or a GT350/GT350R? This I gotta see. I know they're crazy well balanced cars for their size but that's a tough pitch.
I was shocked too, when i first went for a ride at my buddies at road track. It’s nuts and they’re amazingly balanced and handle in a way that blows my mind for a muscle car. They really threw the whole muscle car stigma out the window with them. My buddy has the SS 1le and demon. Besides the demon scaring the hell out of you, I’d take the 1LE any day if I lived somewhere I could drive it during the dry season


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To be fair, the Camaro and Mustang were never "muscle cars." It's the reason the "Pony Car" category was invented. Regardless, the modern generation are proper sports coupes.

Only the Challenger qualifies in today's Domestic market. Though I'd argue the modern Big Benz AMGs are very much modern Muscle cars if in performance only.

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Wow! I had no idea. Well I definitely gotta give credit where credit is due. Very impressive for the Camaro indeed... I gotta go test drive a new one now and see just how good it is.
 

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You're telling me the Camaro SS 1LE handles better than an STI or Golf R with DSG or a GT350/GT350R? This I gotta see. I know they're crazy well balanced cars for their size but that's a tough pitch.

By the numbers, the Chevrolet hits 60 mph from a standing start a little quicker (4.1 seconds) than the Ford (4.4 seconds), thanks in part to its well-tuned launch control system and slight weight and torque advantage. The quarter mile is a little tighter—less than 0.1 seconds separate the two cars—but on a race track, neither of those straight-line measures matter all that much.
Braking, on the other hand, is never optional, especially on a twisty road course. Despite both having Brembo brakes, the 1LE offers about 10 feet shorter of a stopping distance as compared to the PP2 when hauling down from 60 mph. On most horsepower-friendly tracks, the Camaro will also best the Mustang by at least a few seconds, with most drivers commenting on the Chevrolet's better body control and more intuitive chassis compared to the Ford. In fact, the 1LE is comparable in terms of lap times and feel to high priced imports like the Audi R8 V10 Plus, Porsche Cayman GT4 and Nissan GT-R.


https://www.drivingline.com/articles/track-ready-muscle-car-showdown-2019-ford-mustang-gt-pp2-vs-2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-1le/

So in a word: YES
 
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