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Hey guys whats up, just so you know I come in a peacefull nature and I highly respect your cars so lets try to keep this in a peacefull nature.

Now I have a 2002 Nissan Maxima, it is equipped with a 6spd transmission. I have a lot of mods but here are just my power mods. I have a intake, high flow cat and a cat-back exhaust system. The car dynoed 215 FWHP and 231 FWTQ SAE corrected. A stock 6spd max puts down 198-203 FWHP and 220 FWTQ.

I took the car to the track once and under horrible conditions I did a 14.5 @ 98 MPH, my 60 foot was tererible at 2.44. i have light weight 18's(19.5 lbs) with Kumhos.


Now to the event on hand. A few weeks back I saw a real nice looking WRX on the road. He drove by going about 45 MPH when I was merging out of a gas station. I floored it out after him and when I was a about a car behind him he went WOT, but at this point I was going about 5-10 MPH faster then him. Of course on a roll my car has a lot more power so I flew right by him and quickly put a few car lenths on him. Of coarse this whas by no means a fair race because I had momentem and we all know the WRX's sweat spot is from a stop, not 50 a MPH roal.

So anyways the guy with the WRX is a friend of a friend and he wants a re-match. This time we are going to run from 0-100 MPH. This race is slated for Monday or Tuesday of next week.

The WRX is a 5spd, it has a aftermarket BOV and he removed a cat. What do you guys think about this race? I have a feeling if this guy does not do a perfect launch I will definatly take him by 100 MPH. If he has a great launch (5000 RPM drop) he is going to take a real nice lead over me at first. Now I am wondering if he does know how to drive with the best of them will I catch up?

What do stock or slitely modded WRX's put down to the wheels and what are there 1/4 mile times usualy?

BTW I saw that Altima thread and I hope this does not turn into that.

Thanks for your input guys and I will post the results when they come.

 

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Flyboy said:
Emax, you post on the altimas.net forums don't you? Your username looks familiar.

Stock WRX's are running 14.4's at like 96 mph. If he bogs his launch you should beat him to 100 mph. However, if he gets a strong launch, he'll probably pull 2-3 car lengths on you and you probably won't be able to dial him in after that.
Hey dude, I post on altimas.net once in a while. They have the same engine and all so i always keep an eye on what there up to over there :D I'm on maxima.org usualy when i'm on the net.

So this looks like it is going to be one hell of a race then, definatly up to the driver. From what my friend says he thinks the guy is a ok driver and that he did not do much to his car. My friend seems to think I will take him but I'm not to sure about it.

The best stock maxima time is 14.23 @ 99, that guy got a a 2.1 60 foot compared to my 2.4. Average 1/4 mile for a stock or slitely modded 6 spd max is 14.4-14.6 from 95-98 MPH.

BTW I am putting headers on and a Y-pipe soon but this won't be in time :( I have been waiting for my Y-pipe to come in now for about 3 weeks! Argh..

Thanks for your input guys.
 

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SobeWRX said:
does he have a MBC??? if he does and the cat he removed was on the uppipe then you are in trouble.
Sorry I don't know exactly what that is(MBC)? If that meens manual Boost control then I don't think he has that.
 

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PlatinumWRX said:
Respectfully,

I would eat your Maxima for breakfast.

-Jim
I bet, but the question is, could you hang with a turboed maxima running 16 PSI? :D We have one at maxima .org , with 12 PSI he put down 350 FWHP and about the same amount of TQ. He is running 15 PSI last I heard.


2001S4, thank you :) . S4's are at the top of my list. I looked at a few but it was just to much for me to spend on a used car.




Hey guys how much HP do you guys put down to the wheels stock? About 175-180 right?
 

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PlatinumWRX said:
Respectfully,

I would eat your Maxima for breakfast.

-Jim
I just noticed your trap is the same as mine :D If I caught you on a roll i think I would be doing the eating ;) Particular after 100 MPH
 

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Re: Emax...

BobbyD said:
I think you have a pretty damn good chance against that WRX. Ive seen my friends race their WRX's against cars that are supposed to be slower such as SSEI's and those cars kept right up with them cause the WRX's couldnt get a 1-2 car lead on them from the start. It all depends on what kinda start the WRX gets. I raced a corvette, 2002 6 speed, and i got a 2 car length jump on it, we stopped at the end of 3rd gear, which is 90+ and i was still about half a car ahead. The vette wasnt even really pulling, im sure if i put it into 4th, he would have slaughtered me, but he still wouldnt have caught up till 100+ i would imagine. All i have done is 2 cat's removed. WRX's are not fast in stock form, ive gotten blown away by stock Cobra's like i was standing still when i was stock. But with just those 2 mods, which cost me about 450$, i honestly belive i can beat a stock LS1 (not a factory freak) to atleast the top of 3rd gear, or 96 mph or whatever it is. I have raced stock LS1 Z28's from a roll, we went from 15mph till 70mph and i was right along side of them, they were not pulling on me, not yet atleast, and then we stopped, it was a 30 mph road. Basically what im saying is, your maxima is a fast car, no doubt about that, but it is no match for a lightly modded WRX such as mine, unless we roll at 30 mph, and take it till like 110mph or something ridiculous like that. But if that guy only has 1 cat taken off, u got a pretty damn good chance, especially since u are modded pretty well. If you can pull off a 2.0-2.1 60', then i seriously think u might take him, especially since u are going to 100. If he jumps you by more than 1 car tho...u are prolly screwed. Nevertheless, i believe racing should be for fun, and it doesnt matter if u lose or win. Ive lost some, and i have won lots, but i dont think it matters that much if u win or lose, as long as u have fun :). Once i raced viper in my parents van...he was atleast 50 cars ahead, but man, i had a BLAAST, hehe, my friends were all laughing, but whatever ;). Have fun, and tell us the results, i think it will be a great matchup.

-Bobby D
Very well said, hopefully the guy get's the gitters and bogs, lol. Either way like you said it is all in good fun.

I also raced a 99ish Camaro SS, this one was a convertible auto though. We raced from 0-60, he had the top down and one passenger in the car. I actualy took the guy by a nose off the line and held my lead up to 60 MPH. I would have kept going but I had technical diffucultys, lol..
 

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BobbyD said:
really...thats very impressive if you stayed even with a SS camaro. Those cars are definatelly no joke. When i was stock i got my ass handed to me by a cobra, and those are about as fast as an SS. He would have for sure reeled u in after 70+, those things have higher trap speeds than me, and you. My only advantage is that i can get possibly a 1-2 car jump. But i have raced people before, and i could only get about a half a car jump on them. Whenever i read about people get 3 car jumps on LS1 cars or similar performers, i kinda shake my head. Its really damn hard to launch so well that u get 2 cars on a powerful RWD car. Unless of course, u just drop the clutch, but that isnt an option for me, i baby my transmission...i already lost one at 3000 miles. So when i slip it, i have to do it perfect to get a 1-2 car jump, or else i just barelly get a half car jump, which just sucks unless the car im racing is slower than me from a roll. After taking out the 2 Cats i can afford getting bad jumps, since my trap speed is prolly at about 100mph now, and this is without the MBC...which is sitting on my counter ;). If i were you, i would do some burnouts, to make your tires sticky, and then i would try to get a really good hookup, and only let the WRX get a 1/2 car lead. I believe u will reel him in if he is only half a car ahead, especially after 60+. Good luck, and dont hope he bogs, cause then its not really a fair race...a fair race is when both of you get the best launches u can get, or pretty damn near close to it, so make sure u do it a couple of times if u mess up the first few. Oh and do it soon, i really wanna know how the race goes :).
I will definatly let you guys know when we race. It should be next Monday or Tuesday unless he can't make it.

BTW with a perfect launch my G-TEch pro gives me 0-60 in 5.75, I usualy average high 5's though.
 

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thechickencow said:
I like your car Emax...

I had a 91 Maxima before my WRX. I definitely looked into replacign it with a 02, but the WRX's all wheel drive was too big of a lure for wisconsin winters. Mom's got a 99 though. I really like them.

A 0-100 race is basically a 1/4 mile for both of our cars. It'll be close, provided you both have good launches. Hope you can improve on your 0-60' if you want to beat him though.

Let us know who wins.
Thank you.

My 60 foot at the track mostly stunk because of the track conditions. It was 40 degrees outside and if you have ever tried launching Kumho tires below 60 degrees you would know it's pretty impossible to do. Also a car there droped it's oil pan right after the tree, so traction was very hard to come by. Then to top it all off it was my first time ever at a drag strip and I did not even lower the PSI on the tires, I was running 32 PSI all around.

Once I get my headers and Y-pipe on I am going to head back to the track. If I can get my 60 foot down to 2.1 or even 2.2 I should be in the high 13's.
 

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All8up said:
Please do not take this the wrong way. I do like the Maxima and my family have owned 3 so far.

Now that I am finished with the disclaimer. I find it odd that Nissan rates the Maxima at 260 and the car manages to put down 198 - low 200s to the ground. Stock 5spd IS300s are rated at 217 (could be 212, I can't remember) and they typically put down anywhere between the upper 180s to 190 (some even putting down 195) to the ground.

This brings me to the next point, I think Nissan got caught up with the whole HP race and they may be over-rating their HP claims. The new SER is another example...150 to the ground for a car that was going to be rated @ 180 (later retracted to 175). The old SER was rated @ 140 (forgive me, I may be off a little) and many of them put down 120 or more in stock form.

Also, a stock wrx vs a stock maxima...I'd put my $ on the wrx (if the race was 1380 or less; distances greater than that, the max would run away). Mildly modd'd max vs modd'd wrx, I'd put my $ on the wrx. Turbo cars are cheaper to make faster, it is just that simple.

Welcome to the board, you will find that we are generally more friendly than i-club.com
:D Us maxima folks have been saying the same thing about the HP #'s . The 2002 maxima is rated at 255 HP though, not 260. All though we definatly got skimped in the HP department we made out like bandits with the TQ :cool: The maxima is rated at 246 TQ and we put down a tad over 220 stock.

I'm going to see if this guy is ready to race now :D


PlatinumWRX, i beleive it, nothing beats AWD and a stock turbo for modding.
 

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I just called my firend who is trying to set this race up and he told me the guy with the WRX never got in touch with him :confused:

So the race is definatly not happining today :(
 

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twinz said:
I think the race will come down to the driver up to 100mph.

My other car is a slightly modded bare bones 99 Max SE 5spd ( jwt intake/cattman y pipe/stillen cat back exhaust/stillen stage 3 brake package/stillen frt strut tower brace/cattman rear anti roll bar) and it is a very good straight line match against a stock wrx unless the wrx launches right. I have run a couple of new max 6spds and I beat them both handily. My max weighs about 10lbs less than the wrx and with the mods is making around the same flywheel hp. The difference is really in the launch..the max will burn up the tire for as long as you hold the pedal down on a hard launch. My next mod to it will be a LSD to help out with that. If I dont do a good 4-5krpm clutch drop/roll with the wrx and just take off from idle, the max is pretty much even, just a little bit back of the wrx. If I launched right with the wrx, the max never catches up. Now that my wrx has a few tweaks, it is no contest of course.
Nice max you have there. Before my 2002 I had 98 5spd Infiniti I30T. I put a Stillen Super charger on there and a ton of other stuff :D I would love to race the WRX with that car, it would be no contest. BTW as you probably know cattman.com has a HLSD for you 99, it's made by qualfe (S?).

Have you ever taken your 99 max to the track? Theres a few guys with your setup that run in the 14.4 - 14.8 range, theres one 14.2 actually.
 

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twinz said:


Have not taken the max to the track but based on how it runs against my wrx, the 14.4-14.5 bracket is where its at. Yeah, I am going to get the quaiffe diff for the max..I was getting it in preparation for the stillen supercharger, but the wrx has been taking priority on my wallet since I picked her up. :D

I will definitely do the supercharger on the max once I have finished up the wrx..still have to get teins and turboxs stage 4 or 5 done first...too much to do and not enough spare $
Cool, make sure you put a smaller pulley on the blower :D I know a lot of guys who run a 3.25' pulley with great results. I had a 3.48 pulley (stock = 3.65). Check out www.maxima.org if you've never been there.
 

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centaurus3200 said:
being the new maximas (and the older ones for that matter) have a lot in common with my engine. i drive a modded 1992 ford taurus SHO 5 speed. i'm sorry, but small displacement NA engines such as ours are fairly optimized already. there are not many mods short of boost, cams, or bore that is going to make a huge difference at the track.

my car stock put down 185 HP to the front wheels, now it's around 208 HP to the front wheels (same mods on other shos get this number - haven't dynoed my car yet). my engine mods are a sho shop y-pipe with high flow cats, sho shop CAI, billet aluminum UDPS, pro flow 80mm MAF, edlebrock rpm exhaust. i'd bet that with my 20 added some odd front wheel hp (around 250 HP at the crank), i maybe only picked up a couple of tenths in the 1/4 mile. wanna know why? b/c HP is merely a mathematical equation for torque at a high rpms. TORQUE is what wins drag races. my torque only went up a couple lbs. and that is only at higher rpms. under 4K, my torque is stock!

so, what's the point of all this? well, big V8 engines like the LS1 and even 5.0s have a lot of room for improvement, so mods make a bigger difference to optimize their displacement.

so, in the end if you throw every bolt on mod on a 2002 maxima, you will see higher traps (a couple of miles/hr), but maybe 2 tenths quicker on your et.

my .02,
Robby
The 95-99 maximas with basic bolt on's gain about .6-.8 tenths in the quater mile and about 5-6 MPH trap speed. With all the basic bolt on's (IE. Intake- Y-pipe, cat, cat-back and UDP) a 2002 maxima picks up about 30 FWHP. 30 HP is pretty darn good if you ask me. But anyways cars that come with boost stock definatly are much easier to mod. After I get my Y-pipe on I expect atleast 230 FWHP, 240 FWTQ and traps of over 100 MPH. In a little bit I will have proof :D

BTW I raced a stock 95 SHO in my NA modded 95 5spd maxima. We raced from 0-100 and I put about 3 cars on him. But mod for mod and driver for driver where a good match up and both cars have a awesome engine! BTW have you been to track with your car?
 

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ElectronBlueSi said:
i've only spent 50 bucks on mods, so basically im stock. i'll race you. where do you live?

peace
joe
I'm from R.I.

Our race is not going to happen this week. My friend thinks therguy with the WRX is afraid, hehe, not that he should me ;) Ohh well, when the race goes done I will let you guys know how it went.
 

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centaurus3200 said:
hi emax,

help me out here. where can i find pics of the intake and exhaust mods for the max? i would like to compare them to the sho shop (shoshop.com) mods. shos are kind of a mystery. stock they are in the 185 HP range, with stage I mods, the are in the 208 HP range (to the wheels of course), yet i still see stage I shos in the [email protected] range. the only reason i can see is the car is so hard to launch right. either bog or spin. my guess is that is due to the fact the car weighs 3400 lbs (genII - 89-91 are 3100-3300). with sticky tires (like drag radials), stage I shos are 14.5 second cars. but you gotta work to get it there. without the drag radials, the bastard will spin when you shift as well!

my guess is that the fact that the car has an open dif and weighs 30 lbs more than the 95-99 maxes is why they are by and large one or two tenths behind in the quarter (intake/exhaust mods seem to get around 14.3-14.5 et in 95-2001 maxes,right?).

i mean, if a sho puts down 208 HP and does not get at least mid 14s (redlines at 7300rpms - chipped is 8K), it would have to be driver error, right? traps for the mid 14 sec. shos are 96-97 b/c the only way to launch the dang thing is with drag radials with lowered tire pressure (lower traps). i'd love to lighten my car to max weight, but that kind of defeats the purpose of the car. comfortable and fast, you know?

email me ([email protected]) or join the shoforum.com if you want to talk. don't want to waste the wrx guys time.

see ya,
Robby
If you want to see pics of our mods check out maxima.org under links and then homepages. There you will find a lot of pics of our cars with mods.

With a 95-01 maxima mid 14's with bolts on's is about average with a real good driver. There are plenty of guys who run high 14's and low 15's too. It really depends on the track and driver.

Max's are very hard to launch too especially the 2002's. I have about 220 FWTQ at idle so I have to be very carefull off the line, 2nd spins pretty hard and 3rd always lets out a nice chirp :D .

If you have more questions feel free to email me: [email protected] . Yep I use to have a 95 too, lol
 
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