YEAH MAN!!!!! that would be awesome!!!!Tail_Lights_Fad said:Personally, I've always been tempted to buy a 60's era muscle car (no cats and lots of fuel consumption, if you get my drift ) and do a burnout in the EPA parking lot. Good idea?
First off, CFCs cause holes in the ozone, and as far as I know, one of the emissions problems with petroleum powered vehicles is not chloroflourocarbons. People usually complain about the carbon dioxide released from combustion as it "leads to global warming." But guess what? By far, the largest amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere is due to respiration. So if we really want to cut back, we need to start killing many more useless animals. But no one ever offers this as a solution.DTR rex said:YEAH MAN!!!!! that would be awesome!!!!
and you know whats even cooler! when the world loses access to its largest resource, and society will have to change the way it conducts business and operates as a whole. Not to mention all the coolness of a large increase in athsma among new born children and all new findings of skin cancer due to accessive holes in the 0-zone layer......
lol, yeah I kinda figured that.... But I would have to argue that there is a large chance of running out of oil.... It is a LIMITED resource, and is the most consumed resource, (other than water) and is used in a lot more than just automobile gas... everything plastic that you see is also made with oil, etc, etc, etc,zoophagy said:
What it all boils down to: I hate the EPA and unnecessary and unconstituional governmental interference in my life.
Actually, oil is not a limited resource. It's a renewable resource. It's just that it takes so long to renew itself that once it's gone, it might as well be gone.DTR rex said:lol, yeah I kinda figured that.... But I would have to argue that there is a large chance of running out of oil.... It is a LIMITED resource, and is the most consumed resource, (other than water) and is used in a lot more than just automobile gas... everything plastic that you see is also made with oil, etc, etc, etc,
I am not relating this directly to the actions of the EPA, but If no one makes an effort to be more enviornmentally conscious, we are F'ed. plain and simple.... People that dont want to make an effort to help keep the planet living efficiently, should just die and get the hell out of here.
at the risk of sounded like a b*tch, and a hippie: Earth is our home, where we live, and if it is not better taken care of, its not going to be around too long. (unless we just blow ourselves up first)
There have been wide spead efforts to clean up and advance technology to better suit the enviornment... but when you dumbasses that oppose it for no good justifiable reason, its gets me mad
EDIT____ for the fact that in debate to what you said about People and Animals being the largest source of c02 in the air.... IF people actually gave more attention to the enviornment and didnt cut down millions of trees to over-industrialize, we would have this problem.
I thought you liked taking arguments to their logical extreme? I'd hate to see this one taken there.Zem said:Government regulations suck. However, the environment is shared by all, and since we've already seen people can't limit themselves, the government must step in.
we had an enviornmentalist lady come to my school and speak about how we need to start creating more things to be bio-degradable, due to the growing problem of having no-where to store the plannets garbabe everyday.Zem said:We can make ethanol from corn and methanol from wood.
but thats my point... even as a renewable resrource... there is no way that we can renew the substance at the rate we are using it.. it would require some incredible breakthrough in technology and an even larger envancement with funds..... something that I do not see happening....zoophagy said:Actually, oil is not a limited resource. It's a renewable resource. It's just that it takes so long to renew itself that once it's gone, it might as well be gone.
I stand by my statement that we are not going to run out of petroleum any time soon. I know it is used extensively, but there is a hell of a lot of it left. I mean, massive quantities.
I don't get the argument that the earth is not going to be okay if we don't do anything about it. I think it is somewhat egotistical to think that human beings are going to ruin the earth. I think if we were actively trying to ruin the earth we could, but our pollution isn't really that big of a deal.
I don't really want to argue about this too much, though, because it'll get political, and the thread will get locked.
You are right that in the next hundred years oil will probably become scarcer and scarcer, and this will drive prices up. But this is exactly what will create a solution. I have absolute faith in capitalism. If fuel prices become too expensive, a company will design a new product that will become instantly successful because it will be cheaper, and therefore people will buy it. I honestly don't think there is anything to be worried about at all.DTR rex said:but thats my point... even as a renewable resrource... there is no way that we can renew the substance at the rate we are using it.. it would require some incredible breakthrough in technology and an even larger envancement with funds..... something that I do not see happening....
Its not about the population... Its about peoples attitude. They dont care about enviornment. They dont care about ripping down a forest preserve if it means getting a new "convienent" store closer to them. They dont care about how much a limited resource is being over-used, until they themselves cant have it anymore.... people seem to have a hard time thinking ahead.
and the problem with petroleum is not only the fact that it is a limited resource that is going to become quite scarce in the next 100years because of the rate we use it... but its also on an economical level. As more and more gets used, the prices of it will go up... soon people will with money, or even countries for that matter will BUY BUY BUY from mass producers of the substance. Once people have it, they are not going to want to sell it, because they know that it will soon be gone... It will be a bidding war for the oil/petroleum and cause economic chaos. (now that is a bit of an extreme end, but it can and probably WILL happen eventually if something is not done NOW!) Right now, oil is used for profitability and will continue to be that way for some time... but eventually it wont be sold or bought for profitability, it will be bought by mass for survival.
how can you not get the argument? If something is not properly taken care of, it is going to slowly be destroyed. Its part of life. You dont take care of a house plant, what happens? you dont take care of a pet, what happens? You dont take care of a car, what happens?
We are not arguing. We are debating hopefully we can each learn something from each others opinions.
Yeah, you're right. I was thinking of magic. My bad.Zem said:What solution will then become marketable? You have something in mind? You might be thinking a thing exists that does not.
Yes. I'll be dead then, so I don't think I'll protest too much.Zem said:The Earth will survive. We might not, but the Earth will. Do you find that acceptable?