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Hi all,

I am getting ready to buy a 2017 white GTI sport, and I want to get some feedback and comments from you all.

Back in 2015, I was debating between a 2015 WRX or a 2015 GTI. Long story short, after some test driving back and forth and reliability concerns, I ended up buying a 2016 WRX back in August 2015. Fast forward after putting 12000ish miles on my WRX, I wanted something more refined and comfortable, and I found myself in love with the GTI again.

I went to the dealer earlier, and they are willing to make a deal with me for my WRX. Here is the breakdown:

2017 GTI Sport (White 6-speed) $25,600
trade-in 2016 WRX Based (World Rally Blue 6-speed) $22,000

OTD: $4500

Orginially, I really want the carbon steel gray, but someone brought it already, and they have to get the white one from another dealer.

What do you guys think about the deal? Any comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
amzoon
 

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Honestly it seems like they are offering you a good deal. And it sounds like you have your mind up already. But I personally would never buy a VW. I have a few friends that are huge VW fanboys. Every single one of their cars has had electrical problem, after electrical problem, and seems that there check engine light is always on. Never been a fan.

But if that is what makes you happy man, then go for it.
 

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Thanks, WRX-maniac ... That was one of my earlier concerns as well; that is why I went with the WRX the first time around. It is hard for me to decide right now :(
 

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If it's new, any electrical problems like that should be covered by warranty. Get whatever makes you happy. :)
 

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If it's new, any electrical problems like that should be covered by warranty. Get whatever makes you happy. :)
You know in most cars I would absolutely agree with this statement. However, VW's are a different animal. My one friend has a jetta 2.0T and has some work done to it. He bought it new. Wasn't until around 60k miles he started having the electrical issues and constant CEL's. Of course by that point his warranty was done due to the year and modifications done to the vehicle. And like I said, he is only one of the many people I know with these issues on VW's.
 

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The only reason I got rid of my two VWs was because they were part of the TDI buyback. We had very good luck with them and if it wasn't for how they treated their TDI owners, I'd be a GTI or R owner. I miss my hatch.


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WRXs/STIs have never been known for their refinement; that's how they've been able to keep the price down.

The GTI is a nicer interior, but lower power output and a worse drivetrain.

Ultimately, it depends on what is going to be most important to you. If you don't live in a snowy climate, AWD isn't going to be a selling point.

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You know in most cars I would absolutely agree with this statement. However, VW's are a different animal. My one friend has a jetta 2.0T and has some work done to it. He bought it new. Wasn't until around 60k miles he started having the electrical issues and constant CEL's. Of course by that point his warranty was done due to the year and modifications done to the vehicle. And like I said, he is only one of the many people I know with these issues on VW's.
This guy is trading in a vehicle with less than 2y and ~12K miles on it; without more information, it doesn't seem like the kind of owner who would keep something long enough to hit 60K miles.
 

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I actually do want to keep the car for a long time. The last car I had was a 2005 Acura Rsx-S, which I bought it new and traded for the 2016 wrx when it had around 93K miles (drove it for almost 9 years). The car I had before that was an IS300 which I only kept for a year because it is an automatic.

I also checked out the new 2017 civic hatch sport (cvt in white) over the weekend. Actually, the dealership I went to willing to do an almost even trade with my car (I have to throw in TTL of $800).
 

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I actually do want to keep the car for a long time. The last car I had was a 2005 Acura Rsx-S, which I bought it new and traded for the 2016 wrx when it had around 93K miles (drove it for almost 9 years). The car I had before that was an IS300 which I only kept for a year because it is an automatic.

I also checked out the new 2017 civic hatch sport (cvt in white) over the weekend. Actually, the dealership I went to willing to do an almost even trade with my car (I have to throw in TTL of $800).
I wouldn't own a German car out of warranty. There are repair shops in this area that ONLY deal with German cars; the fact they can run a business targeting solely the three big names (VW/Audi, BMW, MB) says something to me.

If you're looking to keep the car a long time, make sure it's the exact car you want (special order, if you have to), and strongly consider an extended warranty.
 

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Hi all,

I am getting ready to buy a 2017 white GTI sport, and I want to get some feedback and comments from you all.

Back in 2015, I was debating between a 2015 WRX or a 2015 GTI. Long story short, after some test driving back and forth and reliability concerns, I ended up buying a 2016 WRX back in August 2015. Fast forward after putting 12000ish miles on my WRX, I wanted something more refined and comfortable, and I found myself in love with the GTI again.

I went to the dealer earlier, and they are willing to make a deal with me for my WRX. Here is the breakdown:

2017 GTI Sport (White 6-speed) $25,600
trade-in 2016 WRX Based (World Rally Blue 6-speed) $22,000

OTD: $4500

Orginially, I really want the carbon steel gray, but someone brought it already, and they have to get the white one from another dealer.

What do you guys think about the deal? Any comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
amzoon
I am able to get a similar deal, basically 22,500 for my WRX and 25,000 for '17 GTI Sport DSG. I decided to pass it up and instead use the difference for an engine built down the line. I think both cars are great in their own ways and I have done way too much research between them than a normal person should, lol. I say go for it. Both cars have their positives and negatives and it ALL comes down to what YOU want and need in a car. The GTI is more comfortable and you can make insane power gains from a simple ECU reflash but be prepared to spend money on supporting mods. If you plan on keeping it stock, than IMO it is just a nicer car all around. I had a lot of issues with my last turbo VW, and I mean a lot but it still wouldn't stop me from buy another GTI.
 

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I wouldn't own a German car out of warranty. There are repair shops in this area that ONLY deal with German cars; the fact they can run a business targeting solely the three big names (VW/Audi, BMW, MB) says something to me.
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This is a pretty weak argument against owning a German car out of warranty. I can ensure you that every tech in the Subaru, Honda, Toyota, etc. service center is not making their living off of maintenance. They all break, some take slightly more skill or focused tools to get certain jobs done.

I would rather take my car to someone with a more focused scope than someone who will take any car in and claim to know it well.



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Thanks so much for the reply.

Just to add some more information, I am not planning to mod the car at all. I service the WRX at the dealership. I don't even drive the car hard other than some hard cornering from time to time. In fact, I am moving to NE next year (got a new job as an university Prof.) so I am also thinking about needing AWD for the winter (but I know it is not necessary as long as you have a good set of winter/all-season tires).
 

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Thanks so much for the reply.

Just to add some more information, I am not planning to mod the car at all. I service the WRX at the dealership. I don't even drive the car hard other than some hard cornering from time to time. In fact, I am moving to NE next year (got a new job as an university Prof.) so I am also thinking about needing AWD for the winter (but I know it is not necessary as long as you have a good set of winter/all-season tires).
Go for it! I personally love both of these cars and I would be just as happy driving either one. The GTI is more grown up and refined. It seems like it would fit you a little a better. Don't sweat the winters, even with a good set of all seasons you will be fine. The sport comes with a LSD and that helps a lot too. You are getting a pretty good deal so why not. If things break, there are many VW dealers in the NE for warranty work but by now they worked out most of the quirks. Most issues are associated with turbo failures (usually with an aftermarket tune) and clutch failure (they are weak and really aren't meant to handle any more power than stock). If you get the DSG, just keep in mind to service it. It is rather expensive but well worth it if you plan on keeping the car for a long time.
 

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I wouldn't buy a vw and expect anything more than a project car. I stand by all assumptions and my personal experience that says they are garbage.

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This is a pretty weak argument against owning a German car out of warranty. I can ensure you that every tech in the Subaru, Honda, Toyota, etc. service center is not making their living off of maintenance. They all break, some take slightly more skill or focused tools to get certain jobs done.

I would rather take my car to someone with a more focused scope than someone who will take any car in and claim to know it well.
No shop is making their living off of maintenance, unless you're a JiffyLube (or equivalent)...

I'm aware of the intricacies of different makes/models. I'm also aware of having a specialized skill set. There are benefits to going to a specialist.

The fact that a business can limit themselves to 33% of the US car market (I don't know true percentage, but using US / German / Asian as my scope) and are able to maintain a full schedule says something.
 

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No shop is making their living off of maintenance, unless you're a JiffyLube (or equivalent)...

I'm aware of the intricacies of different makes/models. I'm also aware of having a specialized skill set. There are benefits to going to a specialist.

The fact that a business can limit themselves to 33% of the US car market (I don't know true percentage, but using US / German / Asian as my scope) and are able to maintain a full schedule says something.
We have a shop here on Long Island that only works on Subarus. How could they stay afloat if they cater to a car maker that only holds 1.4% of the US car market?

Sorry, but your argument is invalid.

They can stay afloat because:
-33% is not a small number when you consider there is something like 260 million registered automobiles in America.
-Location, location, location. We have a few shops near my home that ONLY specialize in German automobiles. We also have A LOT of German automobiles on Long Island, especially in the 5 towns, where I live.
-If a Subaru ONLY shop can fit a niche (I'll go one further, we have an EVO ONLY shop here too), and own it... then surely, the success of a German ONLY shop would be magnitudes more probable.

The fact that a shop can stay open, working off of only 33% of the market share does say something. It says they know what they are doing and choose to stay specialized.

If the dude likes the GTI, then let him buy the damn thing! It's a nice car.
 

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We have a shop here on Long Island that only works on Subarus. How could they stay afloat if they cater to a car maker that only holds 1.4% of the US car market?

Sorry, but your argument is invalid.

They can stay afloat because:
-33% is not a small number when you consider there is something like 260 million registered automobiles in America.
-Location, location, location. We have a few shops near my home that ONLY specialize in German automobiles. We also have A LOT of German automobiles on Long Island, especially in the 5 towns, where I live.
-If a Subaru ONLY shop can fit a niche (I'll go one further, we have an EVO ONLY shop here too), and own it... then surely, the success of a German ONLY shop would be magnitudes more probable.

The fact that a shop can stay open, working off of only 33% of the market share does say something. It says they know what they are doing and choose to stay specialized.

If the dude likes the GTI, then let him buy the damn thing! It's a nice car.
I assure you, they don't only work on Subarus.

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