hated the hill holder clutch. It strikes me as odd that nobody has mentioned that clutch gimic that has test driven one. I found no way to defeat the feature, even turning off the vdc. I must say it is a shock to drive if you are used to a real clutch operation on hills. I think this feature is a big negative and pray the STI, if it has this feature, has a defeat mode. Big thumbs down for hill holder clutch. The service rep said everyone loved it on the older models and he thinks it will be a big plus for sales. One more way subaru is killing a great car in my opinion.