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I have had my 2012 wrx for about a month. I really want to start moding but everything I want to do requires a tune. I really don't want to void my warranty but I also don't want to wait 5 years. How safe is a stage 2 setup have there been any horror stories.
 

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I'm sure there are always horror stories. When I get mine, I REALLY want to put a Cobb Intake and AP, but I'd be terrified that something would happen to the engine and they would reject my request saying I voided the warranty. That is only a Stage 1, the more you do to the engine, the more likely SoA would say no to a fix I'd imagine. Guessing you bought the extended warranty too if you got 5 years, I'm pretty sure it's usually 3 years 36000 miles, so just doesn't seem to make much sense to pay extra for the extension and then pretty much throw it away in a month.
 

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Whenever you hear people say "Nine times out of ten it works out great" you should consider whether you can afford to be that tenth time. Your call.
 

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I'm sure there are always horror stories. When I get mine, I REALLY want to put a Cobb Intake and AP, but I'd be terrified that something would happen to the engine and they would reject my request saying I voided the warranty. That is only a Stage 1, the more you do to the engine, the more likely SoA would say no to a fix I'd imagine. Guessing you bought the extended warranty too if you got 5 years, I'm pretty sure it's usually 3 years 36000 miles, so just doesn't seem to make much sense to pay extra for the extension and then pretty much throw it away in a month.

Powertrain is 5 years.. I don't know maybe I can wait 2 or just drive a lot lol.
 

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If you are worried about wasting your extended warranty you should cancel it, get that money back and use it for modding. If you put away a $100 a month for awhile you should be able to cover a good amount of things that could go bad which you'd have to pay out of pocket.
 

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If you are worried about wasting your extended warranty you should cancel it, get that money back and use it for modding. If you put away a $100 a month for awhile you should be able to cover a good amount of things that could go bad which you'd have to pay out of pocket.
I don't have an extended warranty Subaru's powertrain is 5 years the whole car is warrantied for 3... Is the Cobb acces port detectable buy Subaru?
 

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I haven't owned my WRX for even a month yet but I can see why you want to tune it. I come the off-road world where tuning is a small compared to suspension and BIG tires. Modding is something that bites and doesn't let go. You have to be prepared for things to break and expect them not to be repaired under warranty. If you can't take the risk of that then don't mess with factory spec's. And please remember just because some "know it all" on the intertubes says it works doesn't mean you should do it.

The whole debate about the Cobb AP detection seems 50% at best... I haven't even begun to do my searching on that issue yet but I've seen enough thread titles to tell me people have been screwed over. Like I said above, save up some cash so you can pay for the repair bill or learn how to repair things yourself. DIY projects are great money savers and you get to add tools to your workbench!
 

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... Modding is something that bites and doesn't let go...
If you start there is always going to be just one more part and then I'm done...just one more part and then I'm done...just one more part and then I'm done...:bs:
 

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Once you flash SOA will know!!! Even if you flash back. I have a horror story with 09 wrx with the engine failures. I have had at stage one for about a year and no problems. Then I did the down pipe catback with a protune and three weeks later spun a rod barring. I did not put back to stock and brought to the dealer. Lets just say I will be paying some of the cost for the new long block. But now I will be on my own with any issues from here on out. I will keep the tune and stage two set up waiting for the new motor. If something happens I will go big with a re-build or go home and learned my lesson.*****you only live once**good luck***D
 

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Once you flash SOA will know!!! Even if you flash back. I have a horror story with 09 wrx with the engine failures. I have had at stage one for about a year and no problems. Then I did the down pipe catback with a protune and three weeks later spun a rod barring. I did not put back to stock and brought to the dealer. Lets just say I will be paying some of the cost for the new long block. But now I will be on my own with any issues from here on out. I will keep the tune and stage two set up waiting for the new motor. If something happens I will go big with a re-build or go home and learned my lesson.*****you only live once**good luck***D
How do you know SOA will know even if you flash it back? You said you got caught because you didn't flash it back to stock.

I'm still looking for the definitive answer as to whether SOA can find out the history if you flash it back to stock. This site is awesome but when looking for answers to questions there are just too many guesses, assumptions and conflicting information. Even for just an inquiry to an oil change process I got different answers.
 

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If you flash back to stock it puts the correct Map back on but it leaves a code on the ECU that it has been changed. They can tell how many times it has been changed as well. That is why I was up front about everything when I brought it to the dealers. In the long run a New ecu might be the way to go and use it for the mods,tune ,etc and keep the oem ecu just incase. This might throw a flag up but there is no way around it that I know of.
 

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Why not go Stage 1 for a while?[/QUOTE]



That is most likely what I will do. Is Perrin a good company? I was thinking about getting their stage one kit and than maybe adding there CBE down the road?
 

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The AccessPORT page from RallySportDirect's website:

COBB Tuning AccessPORT w/ Proto Tuning Tool Holder Subaru 2.5L Turbo (inc. 2008-2012 WRX / STI / 2007-2011 Legacy GT) at RallySportDirect.com


....and a comment further down the page:

"after experiencing the difference I don't know why anyone would drive on the stock tune. I'm not worried about voiding warranty either - I can reflash the stock tune if I need Subaru warranty support and the Cobb tuner will replace the original settings INCLUDING the ECU flash counter (very sneaky), so the factory won't know the car was ever tuned:)"

Does anyone KNOW that to be true?
 

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Email Cobb and ask them directly.
 

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Yes yes seconded, post it here please!

It's Cobb's device and people are paying good money for it. They should support it and they should be able to emphatically, definitively answer a direct question.

Please ask them and please post the answer.
 

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ECU flashing has been around for a long time. It absolutely amazes me that so many people have wondered if Subaru can detect a modified ECU flash when flashed back to stock, but still no one knows to this day. Reading through all the warranty denial threads it's amazing that there isn't one story that proves Subaru detected an ECU flash. Either..

- Subaru can, and has kept it a tight secret. This would be useful as an indication that the reps should look for evidence of other modifications as grounds for warranty denial.. or

- Subaru can, but not well enough to legally use it as grounds for warranty denial.. or

- Subaru can't.


My assumption is #3 depending on the flashing method used. Properly written software code should be able to save the original ECU data, and revert it back perfectly to avoid detection.
 

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A tech has stated emphatically that they can detect. Be that as it may, I feel Cobb owe it to their customers to respond directly yes/no, and nothing less than yes/no. I'd be interested in their answer.
 
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