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If anyone can help me out, I'd be grateful :) My dad's looking to buy a new car and he REALLY wants an Audi (no thanks to me, of course! :D ). Of course, he's going to want a slushbox no matter what, so what I want to know (just to feed my curiosity) is how much slower are the tiptronics compared to the manuals? I heard from somewhere (don't remember exactly) that Audis have some of the best torque converters out there, since they don't have that tendancy to have catch again after you let off the gas, so that's why I wonder. Anyone have any answers? :)
 

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the A series audi's dont have that much torque
but.........
the S series on the other hand have a bit more
i dont know the exact #s but im pretty sure they are pretty fast machines
 

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The new Audi Tip's use a CVT system. I personally havent looked into them yet, but I am looking into gettin an Audi Auto for hauling stuff around.
 

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Again, the big question is...how fast/slow is an auto Audi (with the new CVT) vs. a manual Audi? :)
 

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stock WRX vs. stock Audi S4

0-60 it will be head to head
but in the long run it will kill our cars :(
but the S4 is a pretty $$$ car

i say get a WRX and put $1,000 or even less into the hood the S4 will not even stand a chance
 

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Thanks str...that helped with my questions :)
 

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Audis have some of the best torque converters out there, since they don't have that tendancy to have catch again after you let off the gas, so that's why I wonder.....


The main reason is that the audi uses a torsen differential. Subaru uses a viscous coupling differential. A good explaination of the differences can be found here:


Types of 4WD Rally car 4WD
 

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stupid fast 5.0 said:
Only one word "RS6"

Enough said this car will decimate all with a custom chip!!!

"WITH AN AUTOMATIC"
LOL trust me if my my dad had 80 grand he'd be all over that...
 

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Side bar Audi question. I've noticed an alarmingly high number of automatics in Audi's. Is that more the norm with the Tiptronic do-dad being so popular? I can't imagine buying such a high quality car and getting an auto tranny, but I think in that price class I might be in the minority.

I saw BMW has the shifter that is an automatic but acts like a manual, but it is only in the top of line car they make for now. It has an H patern I think, as opposed to plus and minus kind of thing. Are they the ones with the padle shifter too?
 

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LOL trust me if my my dad had 80 grand he'd be all over that...

That's kind of an important question. How much is he looking to spend? What size car is he looking to get into. I've got an A4 1.8T and while I love the car it's rather small.

Granted it's a 99 and the 2002's are a fair bit bigger they're still not that large. The new 3.0L engine is pretty nice with 220hp, or if he's not afraid to mod he could look at a 1.8T, buy a chip, save some money and have similar performance but without the smoothness of a v6.

Same 3.0L V6 is the new base engine in the A6, but that's a $40K+ car.
 

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That's kind of an important question. How much is he looking to spend? What size car is he looking to get into. I've got an A4 1.8T and while I love the car it's rather small.

Granted it's a 99 and the 2002's are a fair bit bigger they're still not that large. The new 3.0L engine is pretty nice with 220hp, or if he's not afraid to mod he could look at a 1.8T, buy a chip, save some money and have similar performance but without the smoothness of a v6.

Same 3.0L V6 is the new base engine in the A6, but that's a $40K+ car.
Right now his price range is under 50k for sure. He's trying to decide between the A6 2.7T or the A6 4.2. He really likes the A6's styling, which is also why he likes the RS6 so much too...heh
 

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Right now his price range is under 50k for sure. He's trying to decide between the A6 2.7T or the A6 4.2. He really likes the A6's styling, which is also why he likes the RS6 so much too...heh
Either of those cars will be a blast. The 2.7T is the same engine that's in the S4. If he wants to drop $500 he can extract more power out of that engine that he will out of the 4.2. Chipped S4 is in the 310 to 320 hp. You can get a 6spd I believe, as well.

The 4.2 is a sweet engine. 300hp, but no manual...I think, but you mentioned he's looking for an auto anyways. Mind you all Audi Autos are at least tiptronic / Manumatic/ whatever you want to call it. The 4.2 also has some more agressive styling with flared fenders, different wheels, etc. Looks REALLY sweet.

Regardless, he won't be disappointed with either car, however a 4.2 A6 will probably put him into the 52K to 55K range, where the 2.7T will be under 50k.

Audi had been having some turbo reliability issues on the 2.7T in the S4, but they were NEVER really present in the A6 body presumably because the larger engine bay allowed for greater heat dissipation. Also, I believe Audi started updating the oil return lines on all 2.7T engines because they were believed to be at fault. Going from memory, so forgive me for any errors.

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Sweet, thanks for the info Dave! I'll pass this onto my dad. Now, any idea if the manuals are about the same second/second and a half faster than the autos like our WRXs are?
 

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I agree Dave.

The S4 would be a better choice if he is looking for the most performance for the dollar$$
And the S4's six speed is very nice to drive.

But I say keep saving for an RS6 hehe:D
 

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chirexy said:
Side bar Audi question. I've noticed an alarmingly high number of automatics in Audi's. Is that more the norm with the Tiptronic do-dad being so popular? I can't imagine buying such a high quality car and getting an auto tranny, but I think in that price class I might be in the minority.

I saw BMW has the shifter that is an automatic but acts like a manual, but it is only in the top of line car they make for now. It has an H patern I think, as opposed to plus and minus kind of thing. Are they the ones with the padle shifter too?
Any thoughts on my question now?
 

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Any thoughts on my question now?
Up until fairly recently Audi has always been somewhere between MB for Luxury and BMW for performance. Bearing that in mind, it's almost as if Audi was trying to attract buyers from both sides of that fence, hence Audi was always willing to push the Tiptronic on cars, to sell to MB/Lexus buyers, that I always felt would be better suited with a manual. There are however, only a few Audi models that you can't get a manual in.

Right now I think they are the A6 4.2, A8, S8, RS6. I'm sure I'm missing a one or two. I could never figure why you couldn't get a manual tranny on any car badged as "S". The reason that you don't see a manual RS6 is that Audi currently doesn't have a manual tranny in house that can handle the torque produced by the 4.2T....I think.

VAG has has gone public about making a concerted effort to have Audi compete in the sporty arena with BMW and to move Volkwagen upscale to compete with MB for luxury. I think you're going to see a resurgence of manual tranny's in the Audi line up.

If you look at the Audiworld.com forums you'll see that manuals are still very popular in the A4/S4 lineup and the TT is only offered in a manual. It's an option on some of the A6's. They're around, just mostly in the hands of enthusiasts.

Dave
 
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