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I have a 2017 wrx base 6spd and I just installed the cobb ap with MAP's stage 1 map. I really enjoy the car more now but my wife is actually the opposite and the car is actually here. She misses the torque spike that the stock map had and rarely went above 5k rpms. I told her to use that last 2k on the tech since that's where the beef went but I'm thinking about just going stage 2 instead. MAPs stage 2 comes with intake, j pipe, and catback but I really don't want the catback yet (stock is loud enough for now). I'm thinking of doing the intake and j-pipe with the stage 2 tune. MAP says the tune should be fine with just the intake and jpipe. Agree? Disagree?

Second thing is since I live in Florida, I was batting around an upgraded stock intercooler as well. I'm thinking I'd need a prune or etune with that so anyone know of any good tunes in the Tampa area?

Any advice or suggestions are valued. My overall goal is a reliable ~300 to the wheels. Or better put to beat my father-in-laws Porsche cayenne and Audi a7 (both stock)...in a legal manner. ?

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I was not impressed with the MAP ECU calibration. What was your impression of the OTS Cobb map?
 

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If you are certain that you will not continue modifying the car and want the absolute best safety and performance, you won't beat a pro-tune. HOWEVER, is 20hp worth $500 to you?
 

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If you are certain that you will not continue modifying the car and want the absolute best safety and performance, you won't beat a pro-tune. HOWEVER, is 20hp worth $500 to you?
I know, with confidence, I am not done modding yet so I think I want to hold off on pro tuning for now but a protune will happen eventually (when I'm done bolt ons).
 

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Well........it is hard to say this, but....... I am like your wife.
I rarely run the engine up beyond even 4K RPM.

I like the early torque and would rarely use it at higher RPMs.

And it doesn't sound like it is actually your wife's car :)
 

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Well........it is hard to say this, but....... I am like your wife.
I rarely run the engine up beyond even 4K RPM.

I like the early torque and would rarely use it at higher RPMs.

And it doesn't sound like it is actually your wife's car <img src="http://www.clubwrx.net/ubb/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />
Haha yeah I drive it when I can but it's really her daily driver. I think I'll just get the MAP stage 2 kit and run their map...I will flash cobbs stage 1 to see how she likes that. That should essentially give some drama back to the powerband... still not like the stock map but still fun

Thanks for the replies
 

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It’s the non linear throttle curve she likes.
 

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Load a Cobb stage 1.

I found the Cobb Map to be significantly more torquey in the mid range then the MAP.

I almost feel like the MAP was produced specifically to make bigger dyno numbers so people would buy it, not a faster car.

HP doesn't necessarily equate to fast car.
 

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Load a Cobb stage 1.

I found the Cobb Map to be significantly more torquey in the mid range then the MAP.

I almost feel like the MAP was produced specifically to make bigger dyno numbers so people would buy it, not a faster car.

HP doesn't necessarily equate to fast car.
Yeah that's what I'm going to do over the weekend.
 

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I find the MAP tune to be > than Cobb OTS. I had knock events on the COBB OTS, MAP runs smooth.

I didn't see much different in the mid range torque between Cobb/MAP. The reason, like someone stated, that you're feeling the difference, is the throttle response. Map's is perfect imo. She actually has to put her pedal to the floor, to feel more "power" so to speak. Where the stock tune, you would be WOT at 30-40% accel.
 

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I find the MAP tune to be > than Cobb OTS. I had knock events on the COBB OTS, MAP runs smooth.

I didn't see much different in the mid range torque between Cobb/MAP. The reason, like someone stated, that you're feeling the difference, is the throttle response. Map's is perfect imo. She actually has to put her pedal to the floor, to feel more "power" so to speak. Where the stock tune, you would be WOT at 30-40% accel.
Yeah I get that. I did try to explain to her that the throttle was nonlinear before the flash so she is now feeling the new linear throttle and the smoother power curve which makes it feel slower. In reality it has more power but that power is much more evenly spread across the the rpm range. In hindsight I should have flashed the stage 0 map and then "upgraded" her to the stage 1. Then each change would have been separate and she would have felt the appreciable power increase from stage 0 to stage 1. In the end though I'll just get the intake, pipes, exhaust, and protune much sooner than anticipated.
 

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Load a Cobb stage 1.

I found the Cobb Map to be significantly more torquey in the mid range then the MAP.

I almost feel like the MAP was produced specifically to make bigger dyno numbers so people would buy it, not a faster car.

HP doesn't necessarily equate to fast car.
well assuming your not changing anything else more hp=faster. different tunes change where in the rev range the engine makes peak power and if a certain tune appeals more to you due to your particular driving style/tendencies go for it. subaru designs the car the way they do for a reason, a lot of people are fooled by, or simply like the very sharp stock tune. i am simply interested in power, if i am going to tune the car and waive my drivetrain warranty i mind as well be making as much power as reasonably safely possible, and the map tune is just that.
 

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Except that this is incorrect. Peak power is only one part of the equation. The shape of the powerband is more important than peak numbers, even when considering the ability for a car to accelerate. I'd hazard the MAP tune is slower due to a massive reduction in midrange.
 

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I went and flashed the cobb stage 1 map and took it for a drive. It definitely seems to have more midrange. I am going to see what she thinks. Maybe I can leave it alone. Thanks for the replies
 

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ahh i had not considered that. even if my car made 1000 hp, if it only achieved it from 5000-5010 rpm it could absolutely be slower than a car with much less power. im going to put the cobb tune back into the car and see how it feels.

i did drive with the cobb stage 1 for maybe 50 miles before installing the map tune. all i remember is liking the cobb a lot more than stock, and then feeling like map was faster still, tho that easily could be confirmation bias. going back to cobb will help my perspective hopefully.
 

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Quick update. After driving the cobb map (which I thought she'd prefer) she told me to flash the MAP map. She said she's ok with the MAP stage 1 tune and we'll just mod from there. For now though I'm leaving it alone since that's always the cheapest option. Instead of additional mods I clayed and detailed it for her so she's happy for now.

Again thanks for all the input!
 

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And pictures of my wife's wrx (and my rookie detailing job) and my si. Side note..anyone know how to remove the baked on bug guts (as seen in a photo)
 

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They take a few days to get used to. Ive tried both and IMO MAP makes a good bit more power than the COBB.
OEM "feels" faster and at light throttle apps and it is.

But just try to pass someone with your foot to the floor and you will instantly notice the difference.
 
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