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I've been debating this since I raced a BMW 335i from a roll with my 2006 Cobb stage II STI. I was surprised that the BMW was very slowly pulling away from me, when I thought I would walk on him. The car still had the stickers on the windows, so I'm guessing it was stock. The 335 is a little out of my price range and "too common" inho, so I never gave it much thought. But when I saw the 135 it sparked my interest.

Well today I went down to the BMW dealership and they had one, it was a black 6 speed auto. I have no interest in an auto, but I wanted to see how it handled and how the 6 cylinder twin turbo felt. I have to say I was very impressed! :) The motor has absolutely no turbo lag, something that I'm not used to at all. Although it doesn't have the surge of power like my STI, it was deceptively fast. The powerband felt perfectly linear. It felt like a buttery smooth V-8, it was fairly quiet and had decent sound. But no turbo sounds could be heard what so ever. :( But it's a BMW, not a rally car. I also asked the dealer about performance upgrades, they said they don't kow what is offered yet for it, but they said they have Dinan packages for the 335, that bump it up to 378 hp. I bet a package like that in a 135 would walk an STI and give a M3 a run for its money.

It handled very nice, firm but forgiving, I felt a very slight wavering (jaunce?), while going over an wavy surface while turning, that I don't think my STI would do. The steering was precise, but not as communicative as the STI, it was slightly numb, but still very good. The car just felt very "planted." It had 18" rims with the conti-sport tires and they hooked up good, I did not get any wheelspin what so ever, but it was an auto... I would love to try a manual, but they didn't know when they might get one.

The brakes are amazing! :eek: It has 6 piston Brembo's in the front and 2 piston in the rear. They bit so hard, it startled me at first. I was very impressed. I definitely think it would outperform my STI in braking.

The interior was very nice, the power seats are uber comfortable and supportive. The interior is a little tighter them my 06, the back seats looked cramped, but I did not try them out so I can't say for sure how they compare. Legroom is a little better then the STI (I'm 6' 2") and that is one complaint I have about my scooby. Another nice thing is the rear seats fold down, I hate that I can't fold down my seats! It had climate control and the compass in the mirror, pretty much the same features as the STI, but also had a sunroof.

So my dilemma is this, my car just hit 60k miles and i have no warranty. The car runs fine, but I hate not having that piece of mind. I love my STI and the new design is growing on me, however the magazine reviews I've read make the 2008 sound like less of a performer. I was at the Subie dealership a few weeks ago and the 2008 STi with upgraded rims and NAV (which I wouldn't get) was almost 39k! My current STI was 38k out the door with a 60k Gold warranty. I built a 135 online and it came out to $36,745, close to the price as the STI w/o nav.

I just wanted to share my experience and see if others are considering the same. Of course I love Subaru's and AWD, but here in NV, it's not an necessity. Please don't turn this into a RWD vs. AWD fight :mad:, because that's what killed the last thread on this topic. :sadwave:
 

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thats kinda strange cause a stock sti is faster than a stock 335i or xi. according to motortrend and dragtimes.com. sti is a hair faster than the m3 as well. not too sure about 08's but I know the other years are.
 

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I'd go with the 135.
 

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what i know is that the 335's motor which is the same as the 135 is that they r monsters.a dinan tuned 335 put down 400hp.i havn't seen those numbers in person but i read it on an issue of eurotuner.those cars are classy and perform very well!!!
 

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thats kinda strange cause a stock sti is faster than a stock 335i or xi. according to motortrend and dragtimes.com. sti is a hair faster than the m3 as well. not too sure about 08's but I know the other years are.
I thought it was very strange, I knew I would beat him. :confused: We raced twice, the first time was from about 40 mph (what I described above). The second time it was from a dead stop and I bogged it and he got about a 1.5 car length jump on me and I couldn't catch him, but was catching up very slowly. We raced untill about 90. It was very very close though. I'm guessing if I launched properly I would have gotten a jump on him and he probably wouldn't catch me unless we went over 110 mph or so. One thing to consider is the BMW has full torque almost through the entire rev range, from I believe 1500 rpm's to 5000 rpms. Maybe it was my driving? but I consider myself a good driver and I my shifts are quick.
 

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i would get the 08 STI far more upgradeable and you can get a base STI for 34-36 grand depending on location, 90% of the 135 imported are high spec and the sticker is 38-41k
 

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You havent driven the STi yet.

Drive both and see which one gives you the biggest :)

Do not go with what the Magazines say.
 

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you can reliably modify your STI

the bmw is not as reliable

if you plan on keeping the BMW stock, and dump it once your warrenty is over..then go for the BMW. lease it for a couple of years, keep it stock, beat the hell out of it and give it back to the dealer.
 

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you can reliably modify your STI

the bmw is not as reliable

if you plan on keeping the BMW stock, and dump it once your warrenty is over..then go for the BMW. lease it for a couple of years, keep it stock, beat the hell out of it and give it back to the dealer.
I was thinking if I mod the BMW I would go with Dinan and I think I would be able to keep the full warranty. But I have no idea how expensive their upgrade path is.
 

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if your at all concerned with money the STI is more bang for your buck

dinan exhausts are like 3 grand their staged packages are super expensive too.
 

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Did the salesman actually say that he/they would sell the car for the price on the sticker?
I really don't forsee those things going for their actual sticker price anymore than I see the current Vette ZO6s going for their sticker price.
I'm suprised that the dealer didn't ask you if you wanted to be put on a waiting list for a manual tranny 135.
Like others have said, if you plan on keeping it stock, AND you can actually get a 135 for the sticker price, I'd say go for the Bimmer.
And even if you can get it for the sticker price, don't expect to haggle with the salesman. You'll most likely pay full sticker price if not a marked up price.
 

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if your at all concerned with money the STI is more bang for your buck

dinan exhausts are like 3 grand their staged packages are super expensive too.
+1 on the expensiveness of packages...

However I believe you'd be getting more of a car for the BMW. The engine in the 135/335 is just a beast. Its mechanically a work of art. The twin turbo design uses a very small turbo for instant spool in the low range and when that runs out of steam, the other larger turbo begins to kick in.

BMWs are Autobahn cars. They are developed for overall driving experience and high speeds. Thats why when you take one from a roll, it can keep up and begin to pull away. Even E46 M3s do this to stock and some modded STIs. Their top end performance is superior. From a dig however, they are very heavy cars to get going, so obviously the STI power and AWD will make the jump here, but that is negated when going frumaroll.

I went Stage 1 in my STI and raced a 335i that was a month old and stock at Englishtown in NJ. I beat him with a 13.0 flat @ 104mph. He ran a 13.4 @ 108...so he was beginning to gain on me...had it been a half mile race, he would have caught up and passed me more than likely. They are very fine cars and given the choice, I would take the 135i now if I could, even though I love my STI. I have just always loved BMWs:cool:
 

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The cupholders are awesome in the BMW too. :rotfl:
 

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Please don't turn this into a RWD vs. AWD fight :mad:, because that's what killed the last thread on this topic. :sadwave:
Agreed! I was the OP of that last 135i thread :tongue:

I decided not to go with the 135 because I didn't love the rear end that much, but it was still a tough call! I ended up getting a 2004 M3 with 20k miles and a CPO warranty till early 2010. It is "sportier" than a 135 although not any faster in a straight line (they both do 0-60 in the mid to high 4 range and get at least 105mph in the 1/4). Plus, I really like the mechanical LSD that the non-M cars don't get.

Compared to my '06 WRX, the "feel" of the car is completely different, as one would expect. I've always been a fan of quick cars that make sacrifices for speed like less luxury, noisier, etc. I almost feel like the standard BMWs are a little TOO luxury oriented for me, but the used M is still loud, stiff, and absolutely hammers to 8k rpm :cool:

I'd drive the 135i stick and an '08 STI, try a lightly used E46 M3 if you can too and good luck!
 

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I wanna get a 335 engine and shoehorn it into an old 2002. :p

That'd be like a Datsun 510 with an RB26 in it.
 

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I ended up getting a 2004 M3 with 20k miles and a CPO warranty till early 2010.

The E46 M3 is an amazing piece of work. A buddy of mine had one with a Dinan exhaust H&R springs, a chip and Hamman rims. that thign flies! He let me drive it and that 6 speed is butter smooth and power comes on smooth as silk. Great Choice. He had an 04 and he beats that thing to all hell and he has not one rattle. the only issue he had was his weather stripping around his whindshield came loose.
 

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I'd say keep the STI, so long as it's trouble free, for another year or two. You'll continue to have a safe, reliable, and very fun fast car. Its resale should remain decent.

The '08 STI is a mistake: too expensive and not fast enough -- forget that it's boring if not ugly.

Next buy a 5-speed EVO X giving it an exhaust and tune or better yet get a 135i -- gotta love those brakes-- giving it at least a tune and LSD.

A used and pampered E46 M3 would be nice too.
 
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