I'm new to Subaru family, I just picked up a 2002 WRX (5-speed) it is running extremely lean. Does anyone have a cobb tube for a STI cold-air intake and after market cat-back exhaust. I called cobb and they only have a tune for their SF intake and aftermarket exhaust. I live in the middle of no-where and would like to avoid driving 3 hours to just get a tune. I would like to start driving the car but it is running to lean right now, please help!
Hey guys. It's just tuned stock right now I purchased the car with the CAI. There is no one near me that can tune these cars. I'm in moline IL closet place I've found is 3 hours. Does anyone have a stock exhaust they are willing to part with?
Hey guys. It's just tuned stock right now I purchased the car with the CAI. There is no one near me that can tune these cars. I'm in moline IL closet place I've found is 3 hours. Does anyone have a stock exhaust they are willing to part with?
Neither of these should cause the vehicle to run lean. Subaru produced their intake to be installed and retain the factory warranty. A catback exhaust doesn't adjust airflow enough to throw off fueling.
You have a mechanical issue you need to address, not an aftermarket parts issue.
That said, don't be afraid to drive the vehicle 3 hours for a good tune. P&L outside of Chicago brings in JR to do ECU calibrations, and he's a member of the "elite".
Ej257. I would agree that a catback would not change the a/f ratio, but a CAI that uses a different MAF body would. The 02s are strictly a MAF based car and because this has a aftermarket CAI which uses the stock MAF sensor but changes the body that it is housed in it so it flows more air. Typically on newer cars that's not a problem because they are equipped with o2 sensors which monitor the a/f coming out and will tell the computer to correct it if it's incorrect. I would love to go up to P&L but I can't afford to take a day off of work to go up there. They are closed on Saturday.
Ej257. I would agree that a catback would not change the a/f ratio, but a CAI that uses a different MAF body would. The 02s are strictly a MAF based car and because this has a aftermarket CAI which uses the stock MAF sensor but changes the body that it is housed in it so it flows more air. Typically on newer cars that's not a problem because they are equipped with o2 sensors which monitor the a/f coming out and will tell the computer to correct it if it's incorrect. I would love to go up to P&L but I can't afford to take a day off of work to go up there. They are closed on Saturday.
I'm quite familiar with MAF-based fueling, as well as the AFR corrections that your '02 WRX applies.
How are you determining that your vehicle is "running lean"?
I'll restate my original comment, that if you have the Subaru intake and an aftermarket catback and you're experiencing a "lean" condition, your issue is most likely with something besides the aftermarket parts.
Ej257. I don't have a stock intake. It's a aftermarket CAI. After Putting the car on the data logger the alarm ? code given is a lean condition code and using a sniffer I can see the car is running lean. Everything else on the car is working correctly. The only other problem it could be is the MAF itself. Thanks for your input.
There is no "STI" brand intake that I've heard of for your car; SPT is sometimes confused.
cobraking00 said:
After Putting the car on the data logger the alarm ? code given is a lean condition code and using a sniffer I can see the car is running lean. Everything else on the car is working correctly. The only other problem it could be is the MAF itself. Thanks for your input.
A pre-turbo intake leak (e.g., torn inlet tube)
A vacuum leak
Dirty MAF (when cleaning, make sure you clean the MAF, not just the IAT sensor)
Dirty IACV
Front O2 sensor
Injector issue
All things that can cause issues you're talking about.
EJ257 Yes it does look like that sorry for the confusion. I will put the car back on the data logger and get the exact code and let you know. Thanks for all the help.
EJ257 Yes it does look like that sorry for the confusion. I will put the car back on the data logger and get the exact code and let you know. Thanks for all the help.
No problem on the confusion. The "Subaru intake" I kept referring to was the SPT one pictured...
With that confirmation, I stand by my previous statements in which you likely have a mechanical issue besides the intake that is causing your DTC.
Review the following to make sure that's not the cause of your issue:
EJ257 said:
A pre-turbo intake leak (e.g., torn inlet tube)
A vacuum leak
Dirty MAF (when cleaning, make sure you clean the MAF, not just the IAT sensor)
Dirty IACV
Front O2 sensor
Injector issue
#1/2 can be checked with a pressure test
#3/4 are "routine maintenance" items that should be taken care of but are sometimes missed
#5 can be tricky because the sensor can look "alright" but in fact be bad; the front O2 sensor is what is responsible for applying AFR corrections
#6 is the least likely, but if you do a full Seafoam treatment (top-end, injectors, oil system) on the vehicle, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing
EJ257, so I got the car to finally idle and run right under light loads, however when i put the car under a decent load or go WOT it still wants to run really lean, we are talking 21.22 AF ratio. I've been going through the car and can't seem to find any vacuum leaks. Any thoughts now?
XJ roger that will do. In the mean time i just did a full smoke leak down test and the results were no vacuum leaks at all. Not sure where to turn next. Looking at possible MAF gone bad and upstream o2 sensor. After that all I can think of is the fuel system, either the fuel pump is wore out, injectors are worn out, or there is a hole in the line coming off the fuel pump causing it to loose pressure.
Quick update guys. Continuing with my learning the guy i bought the car from told me there was a CAI intake on the car. Not knowing any better because i don't know much about the subaru yet the intake on the car was the stock intake with just a KN filter. However the dofus used the wrong filter and the air box would not close. So today I put the right filter in and put the airbox back together correctly. With the data logger plugged in I notice a drastic change in the A/F at WOT. Now when I get on the car the A/F jumps up to 18 but no more, with the wrong filter and airbox open it would jump up to 23. So its not completely fixed but a step in the right direction.
XJ I agree a AFR of 18 is way to lean at WOT, low 12's is where is should be. I was just saying stating that there was a improvement after correcting the airbox issue. My next step is to replace the o2 sensor.
Goose I was just testing so see if there was a change at WOT, there was but you're right still not a good idea to open throttle.