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I'm riding up to Virgina beach when this ignorant dude wearing a wife beater rolls up behind me, and is tailing me while hanging half out his window taunting me. So, I slap it into 5th and start jumping a few cars on this 3 lane highway. He's still on my tail tough, and despite my best intentions, I'm not pulling away from him. After he trails me for a half mile, I go right around a car, he goes left, and .... gets in front of me.http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/images/smilies/sadwavey.gif Bastard. I tail him for a quarter mile but it's clear he came out on top, as he pulls back beside me, hanging out his window, running his mouth with some mess, and then pulls off at the nearest exit.

I have the 08 sti and didn't switch it to sport sharp mode. Don't know if that would have made a difference. Regardless, I got smoked, and my girl was in the passenger seat. Embarrassing!!
 

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Whyd you go 5'th...
instant 4'th, sport mode for increased response, and mash the ****ing pedal.
Woulda torched him.

Then follow him off the ramp and tell him from a stop.
You woulda eaten him alive from a stop or roll.
 

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The Hemi is most at home on the upper half of the tach, right where the stock turbo of even an STi starts to wane.

That coupled with your shift to 5th instead of 4th was enough to do you in (assuming you weren't starting from some insane speed).

FWIW, my Legacy put one in its place when I was Stage 2. It was a Daytona model too, in Go Mango color. I'm sure he was wondering why he didn't stomp the "Camry with a hood scoop."

They'll need a bit more work to even stay close now :D
 

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nope, judging from your story, you still would have gotten smoked the same way. Sport sharp mode just makes throttle response quicker, but it's not gonna help with your shifting or whatnot.

time to get turboback exhaust and EM.
Sports sharp actually changes the amount of available boost and throttle mapping. It's not just throttle mapping. If the original poster wasn't using S#, he would pretty much get beaten by a dead turtle.

And the fact that STIs are NOT highway monsters doesn't help, and ESPECIALLY not in 5th gear.
 

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they are deceptive cars. my buddy at work had one and would start to pull on me around 90mph. with a good driver they trap a good 101-102 mph. and u never know if those domestic v8's have a reflash.
 

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I wouldn't of mattered if you went into 4th either.
If it was the new 376 hp R/T they are much stronger on the highway from a roll than their trap speeds indicate and the opposite is true with turbocharged 4 banger engines like these, (which have trap speeds that are faster than they really are from a rolling run) and add in AWD and you would need a tune to keep up.
 

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My brother in law recently picked up a new R/T...I hope he doesn't read this and think he can beat me...I will have to embarrass him.
Just go from a dig up to 100 then.
But if he says, "yeah but you have the AWD advantage, let's go from a 40 or 60 mph roll"
you can't chicken out.

I love F/I cars, especially F/I 6's like my last two cars (335i's) but when you get into triple digit speeds, that's when V8's start to shine and F/I engines start to get heat soaked and start to run out of breath when compared to NA engines of larger displacement.
That's why F/I V8's rule. :D
 

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Not all turbo cars are weak on the top end -- just those with a small stock turbo tuned for response rather than power. I can promise you my car's power delivery doesn't fall off past 100 mph. It's non-stop until I run out of gear. All I had to do was get a real turbo.

Tell a Supra owner their 6 cylinder's power lessens up top!

If you think a blown v8 is fun, try a twin turbo v12 -- they're a blast.
 

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If you think a blown v8 is fun, try a twin turbo v12 -- they're a blast.
I can only imagine. :eek3:

My car finally has something resembling top-end power, even though I'm still a measly 4-banger turbo. It's weird to open it up at 55mph and have something happen. :rotfl:
 

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Not all turbo cars are weak on the top end -- just those with a small stock turbo tuned for response rather than power. I can promise you my car's power delivery doesn't fall off past 100 mph. It's non-stop until I run out of gear. All I had to do was get a real turbo.

Tell a Supra owner their 6 cylinder's power lessens up top!

If you think a blown v8 is fun, try a twin turbo v12 -- they're a blast.
I was talking about stock cars and stock turbos for the most part and I also said, "compared to NA engines of higher displacement." And when it comes to heatsoak and getting winded, that's pretty much true of F/I engines of smaller displacement when compared to NA engines of larger displacement.

Yes, of course a modded Supra will run fast all the way to the top, and your car may too.

But what are you comparing it too?
If all else is equal (gearing, weight, aerodynamics, etc) one car with a blown 6 cylinder making 500 hp and another with a high revving NA V8 making 500 hp, sure the blown 6 is going to feel fast (and certainly will be especially down low, but I'd put my money on the high revving V8 taking it and pulling harder as the speeds increase to 120, 140, 150+ mph.
This is of course, if your at or near sea level too.
Then you have to take multiple runs into consideration with F/I cars. Heatsoak is always prevalent with them. Where N/A engines get very warm and may lose a bit of power, F/I engines get very HOT and lose significant power. Sure you can combat this a decent amount with larger intercoolers, oil coolers, meth, etc. But again comparing pretty much stock for stock. Start adding equivalent mods to a NA V8 as to a F/I 4 or 6 and then well you have another comparison all together.

twin turbo V12's are more luxury cruisers they don't rev much therefore they have lots of low and mid range grunt, but are much more "relaxed" at higher rpms. I prefer TT V8's anyday (lighter and rev up too).
And don't get me wrong, I like F/I engines, of the 35+ cars I've owned in 20 or so years, 7-8 of them have been F/I (my last 4 cars included Legacy GT, then two BMW 335i's and now this WRX)
 

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I assume all cars are modded - stock sucks no matter what it is.

My Stealth TT trapped 109 mph on stock twins with the stock cat-back and stock ICs. That's not a bad trap for such tiny turbos and a 4k lb car. I outran many an LS1 (from a roll) in the day.

You really need to ride in a 65-series Benz if you think they lack power at any point in the rpm band. 740 ft/lbs of torque qualifies as "plenty" in my book, and the 122 mph traps they do in bone stock trim say it continues up top as well. The 605 horsepower almost gets lost in the other figures. With a tune and better heat exchangers (air-to-water IC), traps reach 130 mph with no other changes -- even stock exhaust. They're doing this in cars that weigh 4500lbs too. 6.0 liters + 21 psi is a win for everybody.

I'm no stranger to v8's. One of my upcoming projects will be a twin turbo LT1 Cadillac Fleetwood, just because you don't see it done every day. I'll have to find a clean example (probably in FL :D ) and make it a sleeper with as close to 1000 hp as I can get.

I've owned a dozen turbo DSMs to include a Galant VR4 and Mirage turbo, two Stealth TTs, plus the odd Grand Marquis, two Chevy 4x4 trucks, and a Cadillac DeVille. All except the Caddy were modded because I don't leave anything stock. The Grand Marquis ran a 9.9 in the 1/8th - pretty respectable for what it was!
 

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I assume all cars are modded - stock sucks no matter what it is.

My Stealth TT trapped 109 mph on stock twins with the stock cat-back and stock ICs. That's not a bad trap for such tiny turbos and a 4k lb car. I outran many an LS1 (from a roll) in the day.

You really need to ride in a 65-series Benz if you think they lack power at any point in the rpm band. 740 ft/lbs of torque qualifies as "plenty" in my book, and the 122 mph traps they do in bone stock trim say it continues up top as well. The 605 horsepower almost gets lost in the other figures. With a tune and better heat exchangers (air-to-water IC), traps reach 130 mph with no other changes -- even stock exhaust. They're doing this in cars that weigh 4500lbs too. 6.0 liters + 21 psi is a win for everybody.

I'm no stranger to v8's. One of my upcoming projects will be a twin turbo LT1 Cadillac Fleetwood, just because you don't see it done every day. I'll have to find a clean example (probably in FL :D ) and make it a sleeper with as close to 1000 hp as I can get.

I've owned a dozen turbo DSMs to include a Galant VR4 and Mirage turbo, two Stealth TTs, plus the odd Grand Marquis, two Chevy 4x4 trucks, and a Cadillac DeVille. All except the Caddy were modded because I don't leave anything stock. The Grand Marquis ran a 9.9 in the 1/8th - pretty respectable for what it was!
Wow 109 in a Stealth TT, that's impressive.
I agree with what you are saying for sure.
I've never driven or even ridden in an 65 series.
No doubt they have power, but again, my deal with them is weight and V12's just don't seem to like to rev. I'd prefer a 600 hp TT V8 over the 600 hp TT V12 anyday. But that's just me.
V8's sound awesome, and are the best compromise of ultimate power but good weight too. Larger displacement TT 6 cylinders are great too.
Hence one of the reasons even BMW appears to be taking that route with the upcoming M5 and M3.

I loved my 335i.
But at 3.0 liters it's a small 6.
My guess for over a year was the next M3 would be a 3.4-3.5 liter TT 6 with 430+ hp. And in recent months it's been said by BMW that it looks like I guessed right (well the displacement hasn't been given yet though).

The M3 should be 3.4-3.5 revving to 7500 rpms minimum too. That will be an awesome set up.

Back in 2005 I guessed/suggested/hoped Subaru would make a TT version of their F6 for the Legacy. That sadly has never happened.
 

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it wasnt stock. And/or that 5th gear downshift screwed you over. I had a new challenger r/t but in stick shift race me ( 02 with full exhaust intake on 16psi) and i had no problem with him. didnt blow his doors off either but enough to claim the win. The sti should be faster than my car and those chargers are heavier and auto. Try to run one again and see the output of the race
 
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Chargers can be fast. I beat an R/T once only because there were sharp turns on the highway. Forget about touching the SRT-8 Chargers even stock probably. Modded it'd be game over.
 
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