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OK, when my completely stock WRX had a wee 1,000 miles on it, I took it to my local drag strip (Atco, NJ) after work one day and ran a timid 15.3s @ 88mph on my first ever 1/4 mile run my new car.

Since then, I have made all of the modifications listed below and put 10,000 miles on my car for a total of 11,000 miles. Keeping in mind that Atco is regarded a relatively slow track for reasons unbeknowst to me, here are my lastest quarter mile times and the times of my opponents:

Run 1:
Me Newer Impala SS
R/T 2.186| 1.519
60' 2.229| 2.345
330 6.155| 6.391
1/8 9.386| 9.716
MPH 76.32| 73.53
990 12.072| 12.524
1/4 14.476| 15.034
MPH 95.97| 92.57

I launched at an insane 6,000rpm and was hitting the rev limiter in third when I trapped. My horrible reaction time was due to nerves. My next run was way better.

Run 2:
Me Newer F150 Lightning
R/T 0.774| 1.048
60' 2.146| 2.311
330 6.110| 6.962
1/8 9.346| 10.546
MPH 75.87| 69.72
990 12.045| 13.468
1/4 14.476| 16.098
MPH 93.04| 88.33

I launched at 4,500rpm and hit the clutch to avoid the rev limiter when I trapped. Hence the same time, but lower trap speed. Apparently this Lightning is capable of 12 second runs, but went way sideways on him twice while I was plowing straight and true toward the end of the track and never looking back. I was soo happy that I beat this guy.

Run 3:
Me New Z28 SS
R/T 1.248| 1.235
60' 2.312| 2.314
330 6.362| 6.313
1/8 9.606| 9.491
MPH 76.07| 78.23
990 12.293| 12.181
1/4 14.701| 14.624
MPH 96.16| 95.85

As you can see, the Z28 SS beat me by less than a tenth of a second. I screwed up the launch and bogged royally resulting in my worst 60' time of the night or else I think I would have beaten him too.

I plan to remove the intake silencer and reset the ECU, which I have never done, before I go next time. The whole point of this exercise is to determine if removing the silencer actually makes the car faster or just louder.

I realize that 14.476 @ 96 mph is a far cry from the 13.5 that I was shooting for, but you have to start somewhere and I'm still bogging my launchs almost everytime. I need to get more practice. I shaved 9/10s off my old best time and hung with or beat some pretty fast cars. I was cheering myself when I beat the Lightning. All hail the AWD! Plus, I was the only Subaru there, as per usual, and those that recognized the WRX showered me with questions and compliments.

I shall return to the track on November 30th and see if yanking out that air box in the fender is worth the effort.

-Jim
 

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Don't be discouraged

Excellent job! :D Don't be discouraged about not getting into the 13's because it looks like everyone was running very slow. The most important thing is that you were running almost 1 sec. and 8 MPH faster than you were before. I've never seen a Lightning run in the 16's (most of the the ones I have raced in my SS have been in the low 13's and some in the high 12's). The SS you raced ran high 14's and trapped well under 100 MPH...not typical at all. Looking at the 60' times I would guess that the track was not prepped (were people having traction problems?). I didn't realize that Atco had the reputation of being slow (I've never been there). I race at Lebanon Valley Dragway in N.Y. and everyone there says Atco and E-town are better tracks.

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ATCO is a slow track compared with some of the others in my area. I think it's a little uphill or something. ;) Also, they is a lot of rubber and tire stick all over the first 100' or so. This doesn't do me any good because traction is not an issue for me. They really need to resurface the track for more speed.

Like I said, the Lightning pulled some 12 second runs that night, but he went sideways twice when he raced me. I didn't see it because I was to busy leaving him in my dust, but I heard about it from several people.

I think I did pretty good considering the cars I was competitive with. We'll see how I do in two weeks with the intake silencer removed and the computer reset. The only reason I'm disappointed is that I said 13.5 was possible with my modifications and I want to back that up. I have a few new launch and shifting strategies to try next time. I might try running at a different track when they open in the spring. One great thing about ATCO, it is open almost year round!

WRX&LS1, you should come to our NE meeting in Boston in January. Check out the NE Regional Forum!

-Jim
 

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I still dont understand something tho??? My GAGT runs a 15.2 And if i threw on an exhuast and chip i could hit a 15 flat SURELY. So why would i buy a WRX for .3seconds faster???? Just doesnt make sense at all??

If i buy the WRX and dump like 3K into it, what do you THINK i could be running??? Or should i add the Super Charger to my GA and hit a an almost 14 flat...
 

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no american front end handles like the wrx. certainly not a GA GT . since i've bought it, its been compared twice to the snap of an M3.


and the base reliability or an import over a pontiac also is a large reason. ESPECIALLY once you start tuning.


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black99gt,

When I ran 15.3, I was still babying the car with only 1000 miles on it, I was slipping the clutch, and I had no idea how to launch it. The car got progressively faster and smoother until it had 4,000 miles on it. Plus, as I have said, Atco is a slow track. Just look at the types of vehicles I was competitive with!

The WRX is very fast car. It all depends on how hard you want to push it. If you put a supercharger on a Grand Am, it will go sideways all the time and/or fall apart.

-Jim
 

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I understand now ... but i was saying since i already have my car... and can dump 3k into a SC for it... 4 people on my forum already have the SC on thier ga's.. and running fine so far with them, they were JUST released for the 3.4L
 

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black99gt, you seem like a really cool guy. Don't buy a WRX just to join our club. Do your own thing, man.

If you really like your GA, keep it! If you want to supercharge it, do it! The WRX is an awesome car. I used to be an All American (Olds man) and I wish I still was. The fact is, the US doesn't make anything like the WRX. The closest they came was the GMC Syclone and that was over ten years ago.

The point is: don't let other people influence your beliefs. If you love your Pontiac, you have every right to, it's a nice car. I personally would rather have the Alero, but I'm conservative like that. I was just blowing off steam about the GA going sideways or blowing up with a supercharger. I have a lot of faith in GM powertrains. They even make great FWD transaxles that can stand a lot of horse power.

I say supercharge your GAGT and let us know how it goes!

-Jim
 

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Ya i know.. But the things are this...

1.) I can afford the WRX if i either just TRADE my car OR sell it.
2.) My GAGT is limited due to Transmission limitations
3.) Market SUCKS AS$ for aftermarket parts.
4.) Ive got 55K and no warranty on it


WRX
1.) AWD BABY!!
2.) TurboCharged
3.) Aftermarket is LIMITLESS FOR UPGRADES
4.) Buy it with 3-10 miles, no test drivers other then me, and buy an extended warranty. Never have to worry.

So im looking at Performance AND reliability rite now...

After my GA gets out of storage, it will be sold OR traded. Im going to buy the WRX because i think its a better car, and i LOVE performance AND Modifications. If you look at my GA, ive spent almost no money on it at all, and you cant tell me it DOESNT look customized AND good looking!! :D

WRX is in my near future.
 

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I have been to the track a few times and when I ran my car stock I did:

Stock
60' 2.019
1/4 14.42 @ 93.4MPH

Best Modded
60' 1.874
1/4 13.84 @ 96.4MPH

black99gt:
Best reason to get a WRX is stock they ARE fast, many people have gotten low to mid 14's. But for arround $100 you can get mid to high 13's, my mods are a TurboXS MBC and a K&N drop-in filter, NO exhaust or airbox mods. No other new car can offer you this kind of perfomance for the price and have cheap, quick and easy mods to get you into the 13's.
 

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Nutter,

How were you launching and shifting your car to get those kind of 1/4 times? Did you reset your ECU after your (minor) mods?

I feel like I'm the only one who can't drive my WRX through the quarter mile effectively. I need some tips! I'm headed back to Atco in less than two weeks after I yank my airbox and reset the computer.

-Jim
 

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so with a MBC i can hit a hight 13 huh... So what about the Cobb tuning package for 2600 bucks!!! Stage 1 it was... Exhuast, chip, BOV and some other stuff.... that runs at 13.4 or so... Not worth 2500 bucks for .5 seconds quicker....

Im a little confused.. Ive heard of the MBC and stuff being able to get you to 13s stock.... But what if i added the Stage 1 upgrade kit... What do you think i could run then?
 

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You have to understand that when you get a Cobb Tuning kit, you get performance AND a warranty. Not so with a manual boost controller. If you ask me, the MBC and air filter are the way to go (<$100) and as long as you drive better than me, :( you can hit the high 13s. I'm still waiting for Nutter to give me some tips.

I'm going to keep running at Atco until I hit 14.2s and then I'm going to a different track to try for 13s times. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait for spring to do that because all of the other tracks are closed right now.

-Jim
 

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PlatinumWRX, heres is what I did leading upto and at the track.

Fill up with good gas a few (2) days before your track visit, add some fuel adotive if you like, like Octane Booster. Im not sure if it does any good but it didnt seem to do me any harm. Next reset the ECU (remove power from the ecu for at least an hour on a warm car, 15 mins on a cold car)connect the power back up and start the car, allow the car to idle until the fan cuts in twice. Turn the car off for an hour. Then start the car and drive until warm (5 mins) then GET ON IT. Drive it HARD full gear pulls to the red line. Over the next few days until you get it to the track rev it drive it at WOT any safe chance you get.

Track day. Try to arrive at the track with less than 1/2 a tank of gas, a 1/4 is ideal. arrive early and allow your car to cool off for an hour. At the stage rev it to between 4500 and 5500rpm then on the second yellow floor the gas and lift up off the clutch, allow the clutch to slip a little but get your foot off the clutch fast. It sorta like a slip/dump you do not get the "Thump" from the rear end the way you would from s side-step off the clutch but it does get it off the line. The tires will spin (all 4) for a short distance and the car will just PULL no bog. With an mbc I shift a 7200rpm in 1st and 2nd, you will need to shift to 4th unless you realy blow the start. The 3rd to 4th shift is something I have been playing with. So far my best times are when I shift at 6500 in 3rd. I do lift off the gas when I shift and I use the clutch. Lastly if you are not spinning your tires try running 36psi in the rears and 32 in the fronts.

Above all pratice ... slow shifting can add 2 tenths to a 1/4 as can a bad start. You should be getting 1.8's or 1.9 60' times.

Good luck and let us know ....


ps. I have my MBC set to 15.5psi for track days.
 

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I think the ECU reset and tire pressures will help me more than anything else. I'm running the owner's manual suggested tire pressures now and I was not spinning wheels at all, just bogging. My 60' times were a pitiful 2.229, 2.146, and 2.314 (very bad). I know I need to get those under 2 seconds to be competitive.
I think I shift pretty darn fast and I have a kicka$$ APS BOV to get me the boost quicker after each shift. Thanks for the tips, Nutter. I'll let everybody know how it goes next week!

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wow you guys have some tricky times i see... With an automatic it sure is ALOT easier! Last time i droev stick was about 2 years ago in my dads truck. And cant forget the time i tore the crap out of a Supercharged '00 Escort.. YES i said SUPER CHARGED ESCORT LOL!
 

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Nutter said:

black99gt:
Best reason to get a WRX is stock they ARE fast, many people have gotten low to mid 14's. But for arround $100 you can get mid to high 13's, my mods are a TurboXS MBC and a K&N drop-in filter, NO exhaust or airbox mods. No other new car can offer you this kind of performance for the price and have cheap, quick and easy mods to get you into the 13's.
Not Exactly true. With The GS, Stock seems to be in the low 14's, and when I added a 3.4" Pulley for $45, and a K&N and had similar times to yours. While I wish I had the Handling and the AWD (Which is why I am going to get the Rex as a 4th car), I did get 280+ HP and 330+ Ft/lbs of torque (10.5 to 11 PSI if you are wondering). Another Advantage of the Rex though is I am just about to the Safe limit with the Trans. Most say the GS/GTP limit is 320 HP before Trans self-destruction occurs.

Back to black99gt, While you can get the same HP and acceleration from you GT, the handling of the Rex is far superior. And I am speaking from being the Owner of a GS with suspension mods.
 

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Yes. I just have something for these 4dr sleepers.....
;)

Sorry, it use to have it listed in my profile on the side. BTW, what happened to those?
 

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dude,
"ATCO is a slow track compared with some of the others in my area. I think it's a little uphill or something"

WHAT!!!!! its 60 feet above sea level, making it one of the fastest tracks in the country!!!

"Also, they is a lot of rubber and tire stick all over the first 100' or so. This doesn't do me any good because traction is not an issue for me. They really need to resurface the track for more speed."

how exactly would that slow you down? dont make excusses for your lack af driving ability. are you spooling the turbo before you launch? practice thats all you have to do. and remember your R/T doesnt factor into your E/T so take your time. who cares about the car next to you and beating it. once you get good at driving then worry about reaction times.
 
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