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Ford's autonomous vehicle development program is now in high gear and moving from being a research effort to an advanced engineering program. Do you think autonomous vehicles will have a major impact within the car enthusiast community?
 

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Ford's autonomous vehicle development program is now in high gear and moving from being a research effort to an advanced engineering program. Do you think autonomous vehicles will have a major impact within the car enthusiast community?
I don't.

I honestly don't think autonomous cars will be a big hit here for things outside of public transport and long haul trucking.
 

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I don't.

I honestly don't think autonomous cars will be a big hit here for things outside of public transport and long haul trucking.
I beg to differ. The US is a big country, and the general populous isn't interested in driving. Autonomous vehicles are going to explode in popularity, and will absolutely impact the enthusiast community.
Personally, I like what Tesla is offering with the Model S: On ramp to off ramp autonomy, while still making a fun driver's car when you desire.
 

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I beg to differ. The US is a big country, and the general populous isn't interested in driving. Autonomous vehicles are going to explode in popularity, and will absolutely impact the enthusiast community.
Personally, I like what Tesla is offering with the Model S: On ramp to off ramp autonomy, while still making a fun driver's car when you desire.
I'm looking at it from a cost perspective. The Model S is what $85k? It will be quite sometime before the technology becomes affordable on a mass scale.

Also there will be Government intervention as it becomes more available. How do you control the infrastructure? How do you regulate how the car decides what to do in an accident situation?

The idea of driverless cars is awesome but, I truly don't think it will gain traction fast enough to do anything to people who enjoy driving. At least not in the near future.
 

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I currently own four cars, and have owned a lot of cars over the years.

I hope autonomous cars replace all street driven vehicles except mass transit vehicles tomorrow morning.

The best case scenario is for us to stop producing vehicles of any kind. Since this isn't yet realistic, we need to go as soon as possible to vehicles that carry as many people as possible, with as little intervention as possible, and without an internal combustion engine. Autonomous vehicles capable of docking with one another on the fly to reduce drag (ad hoc "train cars") and based entirely on renewable energy sources, would be a start.

We don't just need to get away from the driver-solo-in-costly-inefficient-car concept (because it's not a concept, it's idiocy) but we need to eliminate the internal combustion engine as well I think.
 

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Ah ok
Then I like the idea, especially for long drives, however I still want to be able to take control and have fun with the car when I can

I think Volvo is also heading in that direction

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Ahhh yeah.

My dad actually designs these. He has two he's designed now. Semi's though.. Not cars. But, we've talked about this many times, and I had this talk this morning with my fellow coder.

Here's my take:
We need them. Why? People can't drive, plain and simple. But this will allow not only that, but it will allow for more safety on the road. I don't think computers can take place of the thought process, but it can make it easier. It would make the road safer as well. But I would like to have the option to drive it as well. Kind of like the movie iRobot with the driving scene.

But with technology comes hacking. So, does this mean a new way to murder someone? Hack into their vehicles and cause them to crash? If it's connected to the vast network, it CAN be compromised and it WILL be. This could have tons of problems. Hacking, glitches, etc.. Freezing? What happens when youre car's computer 'freezes'? I don't want to know.

But this comes at the front of every technology wave. Yes it will happen. They will be EXTREMELY popular (probably not at first) and it will make the roads safer as a whole. I am dying to get my hands on a Tesla. I love everything they're doing, and am working towards getting one. So when this time come, be ready.
 

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But with technology comes hacking. So, does this mean a new way to murder someone? Hack into their vehicles and cause them to crash? If it's connected to the vast network, it CAN be compromised and it WILL be. This could have tons of problems. Hacking, glitches, etc.. Freezing? What happens when youre car's computer 'freezes'? I don't want to know.
As far as hacking goes, where there's a will, there's a way, so all the failsafes in the world aren't going to eliminate that, but there are steps than be taken as a deterrent.

Freezing can be prevented by real time operating systems like QNX. Most vehicle ECUs and driver assistance computers use QNX. They are "crash-proof" since every driver and application runs in memory outside of the OS kernel itself. Because of this, any individual component can crash/fail, and be restarted without affecting the other programs. You would have to physically yank out the computer to "crash" the system.

Coincidentally, this also makes them hard to hack and control from the outside, since all applications are isolated from each other. Most industrial equipment uses software like this as well, for the same uptime-critical reasons.
 

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As far as hacking goes, where there's a will, there's a way, so all the failsafes in the world aren't going to eliminate that, but there are steps than be taken as a deterrent.

Freezing can be prevented by real time operating systems like QNX. Most vehicle ECUs and driver assistance computers use QNX. They are "crash-proof" since every driver and application runs in memory outside of the OS kernel itself. Because of this, any individual component can crash/fail, and be restarted without affecting the other programs. You would have to physically yank out the computer to "crash" the system.

Coincidentally, this also makes them hard to hack and control from the outside, since all applications are isolated from each other. Most industrial equipment uses software like this as well, for the same uptime-critical reasons.
See I did not know the QNX part.. I asked my dad about freezing after I posted and he gave a similar response that I did not understand much.. As I do not know much about car electronics. But I figured there had to be some systems to prevent that.

But that would make hacking it harder. But, it's just some fun to think of. Might have to visit my dad's shop to see what damage I can do.. Or I guess, i'll ask him the vulnerabilities of his trucks! Then I can take over all the self driving cars.. :)
 

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Also sounds like a great field to get in to...sounds like there can be some great job opportunities and be very well paid

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