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AMW's premier show had a street racer on the list. This idiot in a Vette (nothing against Vettes) killed a jazz club owner in Detroit and will be caught. This year alone there have been four deaths directly attributed to street racing.

The only reason I'm bringing this up is to let you know that street racing is coming into the public view kind of like child abductions and West Nile virus. Maybe the problem is being over-hyped, maybe not, but the point is that those caught won't be given just a warning. And cops are looking especialy for that type of behavior. So it's up to you. I'm not going to preach about safety and what-not cause you've already heard it. But maybe it's just a better idea to do it at the track, because if you hurt someone WHILE street racing, nobody is going to cut you any slack.
 

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whoa! you have to be a sick human being to kill another human being, unless you're in an extreme situation like war or somthing. I missed the show did they want him for murder and street racing or just murder? Did they say he was a street racer? Do you know when it will be on again??
 

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SpeedRacerWRX02 said:
whoa! you have to be a sick human being to kill another human being, unless you're in an extreme situation like war or somthing. I missed the show did they want him for murder and street racing or just murder? Did they say he was a street racer? Do you know when it will be on again??
What if it wasnt on purpose?
Or your kids life was on the line?
Or the entire world was on the line?
Or your life was on the line?
 

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SpeedRacerWRX02 said:
whoa! you have to be a sick human being to kill another human being, unless you're in an extreme situation like war or somthing. I missed the show did they want him for murder and street racing or just murder? Did they say he was a street racer? Do you know when it will be on again??
The situation was this: IIRC

Two Vettes, one old, one brand new (didn't even have plates yet) were racing down Gratiot Ave. Now Gratiot is a hot spot for street racing. I used to hang out there quite a bit when I was younger. They went from a stop up to an excess of 80 mph. The jazz club owner (I don't remember his name) was in a newer Jag and was struck from behind by the new Vette. The Vette went under the Jag, sending it flying into a telephone pole right into the drivers side. The pics of the Jag were horrible. I don't know how, but both Vettes were able to get out of there. But the really sad part, is that they left the owner there to die. HE WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN THEY SPLIT!!! They even said he had a chance to be saved if he could have gotten help sooner. I hope they catch this a****** and string him up by the balls. What an animal.

So, they want him for murder. But before the piece, they had an entire segment on street racing and mostly showed the accidents involved and a couple of wiggi-hoozikes actualy fighting over a race outcome. One even pulled a gun and put it to the others head.

So the entire situation was directly linked to street racing. I know that the vast majority of racing that goes on does not involve a death, accident or gun play, but you have to remember that people not involved in it will see only that. And cops usually have to clean up the mess and explain to somebodys relative why their wife, husband, son, daughter is dead, so they don't have any simpathy for someone's desire to have fun in that way.

Street Racing is coming into the lime light right now, so just keep that in mind the next time any of you line up.
 

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WRX>MUSTANG said:


What if it wasnt on purpose?
Or your kids life was on the line?
Or the entire world was on the line?
Or your life was on the line?
that is extreme conditions......
 

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koyokid said:


The situation was this: IIRC

Two Vettes, one old, one brand new (didn't even have plates yet) were racing down Gratiot Ave. Now Gratiot is a hot spot for street racing. I used to hang out there quite a bit when I was younger. They went from a stop up to an excess of 80 mph. The jazz club owner (I don't remember his name) was in a newer Jag and was struck from behind by the new Vette. The Vette went under the Jag, sending it flying into a telephone pole right into the drivers side. The pics of the Jag were horrible. I don't know how, but both Vettes were able to get out of there. But the really sad part, is that they left the owner there to die. HE WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN THEY SPLIT!!! They even said he had a chance to be saved if he could have gotten help sooner. I hope they catch this a****** and string him up by the balls. What an animal.

So, they want him for murder. But before the piece, they had an entire segment on street racing and mostly showed the accidents involved and a couple of wiggi-hoozikes actualy fighting over a race outcome. One even pulled a gun and put it to the others head.

So the entire situation was directly linked to street racing. I know that the vast majority of racing that goes on does not involve a death, accident or gun play, but you have to remember that people not involved in it will see only that. And cops usually have to clean up the mess and explain to somebodys relative why their wife, husband, son, daughter is dead, so they don't have any simpathy for someone's desire to have fun in that way.

Street Racing is coming into the lime light right now, so just keep that in mind the next time any of you line up.
wow!what an a$$hole, vehicular homicide, leaving the scene of a crime, speeding, reckless driving, illegal street racing, and is there anything else i left out?? that's a long a$$ list....wow i hope they put him away for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
 

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all the racing videos we have in america show irresponsible behavior


i think we need to take a hint from our overseas bretheren in this case and do what they have been known to do (at least in popular urban legend)

close off abandoned harbors and parking lots (quasi-legally)

and hold late night "guerilla" autoX sessions

initial D's creators basically did a storyline around the culture that was evolving around people racing while actually using a steering wheel.

until we can learn that racing means TURNING

and it also means SAFETY

we will always play second fiddle to them.


were going to have to change the way we race...we cant treat our public roadways like the nuburging.

i think some tire scorching at 30mph is a lot more fun and SAFER than a 100+ mph blast down your local school zones.
 

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pace said:


I'm sorry officer! Yes I was driving at 120 in a 30 zone, and yes I was racing that guy in the Z-28, but I didn't mean to kill that innocent bystander on purpose!

What's wrong with this picture?

-Pace
He said you ahd to be erally sick to kill someone.
What if was an acednt.
Like your going 40 down aurora, and a kid runs across the street, you cant swrve becuase he ran right infront of you. That doesnt make you sick.
 

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WRX>MUSTANG said:


He said you ahd to be erally sick to kill someone.
What if was an acednt.
Like your going 40 down aurora, and a kid runs across the street, you cant swrve becuase he ran right infront of you. That doesnt make you sick.
No, but getting drunk makes you sick.:D
 

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WRX>MUSTANG said:


He said you ahd to be erally sick to kill someone.
What if was an acednt.
Like your going 40 down aurora, and a kid runs across the street, you cant swrve becuase he ran right infront of you. That doesnt make you sick.
but you didn't take the kid on purpose, i didn't post that earlier i apologize
 

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WRX>MUSTANG said:


He said you ahd to be erally sick to kill someone.
What if was an acednt.
Like your going 40 down aurora, and a kid runs across the street, you cant swrve becuase he ran right infront of you. That doesnt make you sick.
Ehh.. but this was a street racing event. There is never an 'accidental death' in street racing because it is highly illegal, extremely irresponsible, and downright stupid. I think that there's a big difference (legally and morally) between the actions of the guy in the Corvette who was competing at an illegally sanctioned street racing event, and Joe Schmoe who kills a kid that has run into the street while he is driving 10mph over the speed limit in a residential area.

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While it is sad that those people died in a street racing accident there are THOUSANDS killed and Thousands injured from drunk driving.

Why aren't there stiffer laws about drinking and driving? Why are there still bars? You have to drive yourself home after a night of drinking......... I love america.

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While it is sad that those people died in a street racing accident there are THOUSANDS killed and Thousands injured from drunk driving.

Why aren't there stiffer laws about drinking and driving? Why are there still bars? You have to drive yourself home after a night of drinking......... I love america.

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Good points. It's the American way! Statistically - let's look how many drunk driving accidents are in European countries. I bet there are a lot less because people over there are a lot more responsible! Younger drinking age. Kids just don't abuse alcohol like they do over here. Go figure...alright I'm bored I need a drink
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Akiata said:
While it is sad that those people died in a street racing accident there are THOUSANDS killed and Thousands injured from drunk driving.

Why aren't there stiffer laws about drinking and driving? Why are there still bars? You have to drive yourself home after a night of drinking......... I love america.

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i can't agree more. its like the pot calling the kettle black. a lot of street racing accidents are alchohol related too...i forget the statistics but they were eerily high....

cars and alchohol dont mix...ESPECIALLY when high speeds are involved.
 

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Akiata said:
While it is sad that those people died in a street racing accident there are THOUSANDS killed and Thousands injured from drunk driving.

Why aren't there stiffer laws about drinking and driving? Why are there still bars? You have to drive yourself home after a night of drinking......... I love america.

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very good point
 

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No, you don't have to drive yourself home after drinking at the bar. There are such things as taxicabs, and many towns and cities even offer shuttle services specifically intended to take drunk drivers home. Worst case; you can sleep it off for a few hours in your car.

I agree; drinking and driving is just as irresponsible as street racing. Maybe more so.

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When it comes to drink driving - this country can only blame itself. Coming from Australia the attitude is quite different. Our road safety commercials on television are far more graphic and real than anything here in the USA (far more so than prime time would allow here) but that is the reality.

Drink Driving is no bad luck - it is a crime. That is a bill board slogan in Australia. The limit is 0.05, not 0.08 or higher as in some US states and the bullsh1t sobriety tests that they do here are not the way we do it.

Drivers under 21 have a 0 alcohol limit (you can drink at 18 in Oz)

EVERY cop car or bike has a breathaliser and can randon breath test any driver regardless of driving behaviour (as I understand it, here you have to be driving in a fashion that suggests you are under the influence).

There are random breath tests set up all over Australian cities that stop literally 1000's of motorists every weekend. Next 10 cars are all stopped and they have bikes in the side streets so that if you see the booze bus (as we call it) they stop everyone trying to go around it. You blow in the bag all the time in Australia. If you are caught you get a criminal record - you'll lose your licence for a minimum of 12 months and probably be paying over $1500 in fines. That is if you are caught as a result of a random breath test and have not done anyone or anything any damage. You get caught as a result of hitting someone or something and you can double those numbers and add months to years in jail.

Pubs (bars) will give free soda to designated drivers. They will call cabs. The public transport runs later than in American cities.

I am not out to flame anyone here, but having a law and not empowering the police to enforce it effectively is not going to reduce drink driving. Try losing a friend to drink driving and you too will become a strong advocate and show little tolerance for those who endanger us all.
 

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When it comes to drink driving - this country can only blame itself. Coming from Australia the attitude is quite different. Our road safety commercials on television are far more graphic and real than anything here in the USA (far more so than prime time would allow here) but that is the reality.

Drink Driving is no bad luck - it is a crime. That is a bill board slogan in Australia. The limit is 0.05, not 0.08 or higher as in some US states and the bullsh1t sobriety tests that they do here are not the way we do it.

Drivers under 21 have a 0 alcohol limit (you can drink at 18 in Oz)

EVERY cop car or bike has a breathaliser and can randon breath test any driver regardless of driving behaviour (as I understand it, here you have to be driving in a fashion that suggests you are under the influence).

There are random breath tests set up all over Australian cities that stop literally 1000's of motorists every weekend. Next 10 cars are all stopped and they have bikes in the side streets so that if you see the booze bus (as we call it) they stop everyone trying to go around it. You blow in the bag all the time in Australia. If you are caught you get a criminal record - you'll lose your licence for a minimum of 12 months and probably be paying over $1500 in fines. That is if you are caught as a result of a random breath test and have not done anyone or anything any damage. You get caught as a result of hitting someone or something and you can double those numbers and add months to years in jail.

Pubs (bars) will give free soda to designated drivers. They will call cabs. The public transport runs later than in American cities.

I am not out to flame anyone here, but having a law and not empowering the police to enforce it effectively is not going to reduce drink driving. Try losing a friend to drink driving and you too will become a strong advocate and show little tolerance for those who endanger us all.
its good to hear some country out there is doing it right.

people always looked at me weird when i said i wanted to move to austrailia/NZ

its so hard to explain to them the different mentality i have experienced from their peoples.
 

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