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WRX wagon speakers /vibration/buzz

Hi All!

I just got an '02 wagon. Anyone have any recomendations for aftermarker drivers?
I pulled the passenger side panels to see what was in place; the rear speaker appears to be a more-r-less standard 4in unit mounted to a plastic adapter. The fronts are different; a 1.5in tweeter mounted with a bent strip of steel, and a non-standard low freq. driver with 3 mounting holes. See the fotos at <http://chester.uccs.edu/wrx/>. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
While we are on the subject, there are a couple of annoying buzzies in the driver-side door and behind the left side of the dash during heavy bass passages. Has anyone noticed similar noises, and is there a recomended fix? In any event I'm gonna attack it this weekend if the weather permits, I'll post any solutions I come up with. TIA, and ByeBye! S.
 

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Well thats a general question it all depends what you are looking for. I'm more into sound quality so heres my plan. The rears dont matter too much they are just for fill so get some 4" replacements and run them off the head unit. The fronts get a nice set of 6.5" components I like infinity kappa, mb quart, boston acoustic. Amp the components at least 50x2 Get some dynamat or b-quiet for the front door, this will cut down on road noise and vibrations. Do you plan to do a sub/amp in the trunk? I'll go into more detail if you'd like.
 

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Hi Greg et al!

Allrite! Thanx for the input. So those funny lookin' front speakers are 6.5in. units, huh? Who'd have guessed.
Like you, I prefer nice clean sound over brute force volume, and feel no real need to "thump" down the road. Alas, those stock speakers . . .
Infinity components work for me, or perhaps Alpine. Don't suppose you have a part number for the appropriate Infinity speakers for front and rear? Also, do the Infinity tweeters fit that odd looking mounting, or must one fabricate a bracket (not a big deal really).
My plan is to do the speakers first (ASAP), and then upgrade the electronics after my checking account recovers from "new-car shock" ;-) I'd really like to put in an MP3 player, and perhaps a modest sub. Any one have suggestions here?
Dynamat? Wazzat? I've used neoprene and some killer double-stick tape to dampen sheetmetal resonance in the past; this a similar product? Could you outline a typical application procedure?
Finally, what about speaker cut-outs? Are you leaving the stock perforated plastic in place, or are you performing surgery and then fitting an aftermarket grille?
Lotsa questions, huh? Thanx again for taking the time to provide answers.
ByeBye! S.
 

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dynamat is sound dampening asphalt based foam. the new dynamat XL (i think its called) is far superior in dampening qualities, and you only need one layer.

supposedly cascade makes a fine product also, and it is much lighter.

i have a fosgate punch 360, powering two 10" fosgate XLC competitions in the back. the upgraded speakers are good for now, unless i get some weird influx of cash anytime soon. next mods are performance based besides a tint and the soundproofing of the doors and trunk. BC, uppipe, and end of summer coilovers.


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I've been cruising around listening to cranked up CDs on my "upgraded speaker and sub" that I got as an option in my WRX and I've come to the conclusion that once you adjust the crossover and gain on the sub, they really aren't bad at all.

This isn't to say that my 6.5" MB Quart Components and 4" Coax are going to be featured in "For Sale/Wanted Forum" on clubwrx.net I've had these speakers since November and they are still in the boxes, but that's because I'm going to put sound insulation in the doors when I install my speakers and I want to allow plenty of time so I can do the job right!

I also have 5.25" Rockford Fosgate coaxs that I might try to shoehorn into the rear doors or put on the back deck. If I put them on the deck, I'll need atleast one new amp, though, so I'm hoping they'll fit in the doors. If they don't, 'Hello, 4" Quarts.'

-Jim
 

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COUPLE ?'S

Is the sub under tha passenger seat and are the controls easy to get to ?
what did you do turn up the gain and turn down the crossover frequency?
Just curious.
thanks
 

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Cheaper alternative to dynamat www.b-quiet.com I've used this stuff its just as good but a fraction of the price.

Plat let me know if ever change your mind and sell those speakers hehe :) And you dont need speakers in the rear deck thats wasted effort. Rear speakers should be for fill only you want a nice front sound stage and those quarts will do it, hopefully you got an amp for them though. Ditch those fosgates you dont need em.
 

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I took a rear door panel off yesterday to see what could go in there...Does anyone know if an adapter for the Subie clip that goes into the speaker is available, or do I have to cut the wires and put a clip on the ends? I just hate to mess with any of the stock stuff if I don't have to. Also does anyone know specifics on makes and models of speakers that will replace the factory junk?

Really, i am just looking for crisper, cleaner, not necessarily more powerful, sound.

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Just go buy yourself some Best Buy speakers. I bought the top of the line 6.5's and top of the line 6x9s for my GA... and an aftermarket head unit... sound is AWSOME!!!

Its been said that grand ams come stock with some of the BEST sound system money can buy. And the setup i have now blows away the stock setup


When i get the WRX i plan to transfer my speakers from the GA over to the WRX. The 4"s in the back have to go, i will custom fit 6x9s. And im also going to amp the speakers this time as well. My friend has his speakers amp'ed and DAMN!!! they sound AWSOME!



Bottom line:

Get better speakers, and an amp for like 100 bucks, and wire it up, you WONT be dissapointed

-John
 

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black99gt,

I don't want to start messing with "customizing".:eek:

What I want are decent speakers that will fit where the old ones were, with as little modification as possible.

sneaker
 

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Its been said that grand ams come stock with some of the BEST sound system money can buy. And the setup i have now blows away the stock setup
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


give me a break! if the best buy speakers sounded better, what does that tell you? best soundsystem in a stock car for the money:

Monsoon in VW's
Bose in Acura and Audi

NOT the generic paper crap in a PONTIAC!!! lol at lease the head unit in the suby is panasonic. i'll take a brand name head unit ANY day over generic GM equipment.

dR


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best buy...

I have to agree with dR there even being a fellow grand am owner...stock sound system in any GM car sucks ass! My dads stock system in his expedition could've blew my stock system away. GM needs to stop using delco crap. They have monsoon in some GMs but I still think they suck too. Can I order my rex with no speakers or head unit? lol

Black 6x9's in the back :confused: Havent I taught you anything :rolleyes: Oval speakers get the big thumbs down from me.
 

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Hi folks, me again!

OK. So I visit Crutchfield to order up some Infinity sound. I select the Infinity Kappa 60.2cs (mostly 'cuz they're on sale . . .). Their web-beast comes back saying "Bad . . . not recomended"
Those of you who have actually mounted aftermarket drivers: what fit, and what did you have to do to get it to happen? Maybe I'm a chicken, but I'm kinda reluctant to order $300+ worth of speakers, only to find that they ain't gonna fit. Sigh; what a wimp. Any specifics greatly appreciated. Oh BTW, for an '02 WRX wagon; front, back, sub.
Thanx muchly. ByeBye! S.
 

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labman,

you can search for speakers on Crutchfield using a search specific to your car. They only have one type of speaker avail for the wrx front doors, and they're outta stock. the rear has a few more options. I was hoping someone here knew more then Crutch did.

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Hi Sneaker, all!

Yea, I tried that; I too was hoping to find a better selection at Crutchfield. I'm sure the Fosgate drivers are OK, but I'd rather spend the $$$ for Infinity or Alpine components.
Too darn windy here today to play outside; guess I'll pull the stockers out and take 'em down to Cartoys (who were trying to sell me some off-brand 5 1/4 speakers for too much money last weekend) and see if I can find a match. Make 'em EARN their keep ;-) Cartoys wanted me to leave my WRX and let THEM install the speakers. Riiight; and git yer dirty mitts offa my new toy buddy!
I'll pass on whatever I find; good, bad, or ugly.
One nice thing with the wagon; if everything else fails I can still "borrow" the Kickers from my PUT and strap 'em in the back . . . worked just fine in my old Soobie wagon.

ByeBye! S.
 

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Howdy folks.

As promised, here is the straight and narrow on putting in aftermarket speakers, at least for a WRX wagon, WITHOUT having to modify the door panels. I'd expect the sedan to be pretty much the same; perhaps someone can give input one way or the other. I have fotos and drawings that I can put on my server if anyone is interested.
I'm pretty sure I hit every auto sound shop in town over the weekend. There just doesn't appear to be a "bolt-in" replacement for the front speakers. Even the Fosgate driver referenced in an earlier post will require the installer to fabricate an adaptor plate. Altho there is adequate space in the tweeter pod, plan on building a custom bracket here as well. There is lots of room in the back, tho; most any 4in aftermarket will fit into the stock "adaptor", and I suspect that anyone wishing to do so will be able to fit a 5&1/4 coaxial without too much bother.
Using my special and highly technical "internal clearance gauge set" (modeling clay and a steel ruler) I measured clearances around the speaker mounting locations on the passenger side doors (I'm assuming symmetry left to right; gulp ;-). There is 1& 9/16in of clearance behind the stock mounting points before you are into one of the mounting screws for the window. There is 5/8in clearance in front of the stock mounting at the closest point (the top screw) before you run into plastic.
That doesn't leave much room for noisemakers, does it?
After weighing the options, and measuring several "shallow" aftermarket drivers, here is what I decided to do:
The 5&1/4in Infinity Kappas have a 2in depth. These will clear the window hardware if mounted on a 1/2in thick adaptor plate (trace the "triangular" stock speaker onto 1/2in thick material (I plan to use acrylic ((it's THERE in the junkbox)), but plywood would be an obvious choice), cut out, drill for stock mounting holes, mark and cut 5&1/8in cutout for the Infinity speaker, pre-drill mounting holes, etc.). If you take a close look at the Infinity speakers, you will notice that the rolled surround actually protrudes from the front a little. By my calculations, this will just miss touching the inside of the plastic, but I plan to trim a couple of the high spots just to be on the safe side. The tweeter will mount in the stock location on an appropriately shaped and drilled strip of sheet metal. The (rather large) Infinity cross-over will have to be mounted somewhere as well, but I haven't addressed THAT issue yet. Some older 4in Alpine speakers will fit in the stock mounting in the back. (will probably go to Infinitys later, but I already had the Alpines)
Someone had mentioned using the 6 1/2in Kappas. Probably not unless you want to modify the plastic; those surrounds are gonna hit otherwise. Of course, if you don't mind heating and reforming the plastic, cutting the door panels, trying to match an aftermarket grille to the graceful curves of the panel, etc. you can probably fit pretty much whatever you want with an appropriate adaptor.
All of this is still somewhat hypothetical; darkness and snow overtook me yesterday, and it's awfully cold/snowy/windy today with more on the way. As soon as it warms up enuf that the tools don't stick to my hands I'll finish things up and let you know how it went.

ByeBye! S.
 

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Re: COUPLE ?'S

MAGMORE said:
Is the sub under tha passenger seat and are the controls easy to get to ?
what did you do turn up the gain and turn down the crossover frequency?
Just curious.
thanks
The crossover and gain screws are on the left side of the sub under the passengers seat. They are not easy to get to. I put the seat all the way forward and went after them from the back seat with a phillips head screw driver.

labman,

The MB Quart 6.5" Components that I have feature a complex hole pattern on the outside in out to fit in speaker holders with 3 or 4 holes. The 4" MB Quarts have a four hole flange that should align with the WRX's four holes on the rear doors.

-Jim
 

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Hi Jim!

Do you remember what the MBQuart model number was? I looked at some 6 1/2 MBQuart speakers they had at Cartoys; mounting depth aside, there was no way they would have lined up with the stock mounting holes. The diameter of the Sub mounting hole circle is about 1/2in larger than what I observed on anyones 6 1/2in components (I had the stock speaker in my hand to compare). Did yours mount right in, or are you using a spacer/adaptor of some sort?. Is your WRX the sedan? If so, there must be some pretty significant differences between the sedan and the wagon.
I'm sure there are lotsa people (myself included) that would love to find a "drop-in" replacement; if MBQuart's THE ONE, please let us know.

ByeBye! S.
 

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labman,

I have not installed my speakers yet. I'm not too pleased to hear that the mounting flange is a different diameter. Speaker installation is supposed to be an easy mod! I can't say for a fact that the MBQuarts will be a drop in replacement. I guess I'll just have to find a way to MAKE them fit!

-Jim
 
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