Dont' get me wrong, I don't think ADR is a bad company or anything but they're what I consider a 2nd or 3rd rate wheel company. I've been following the import scene for a while and I'm more brand loyal, which means I'm not a big fan of companies such as ADR or TSW. What's even worse is companies that attempt to imitate popular rims made by 1st rate companies (mostly from Japan). I used to have a set of Volk Racing AV3 wheels which weighed about 14lbs/wheel for 17", probably one of the lightest rims back then. After a year or two I see half a dozen of imitation AV3s (like the Konig Monsoon) and that just makes me a little.. disgusted?
Well that's just my opinion. Now they have a bunch of imitation Volk Racing TE37s, imitation Advan RGs, and tons of Volk Challenges. The list will go on and on but the market is still big for aftermarket rims the companies who are making imitation rims and selling rims at a fraction of the cost of the original rims will be out there for a long as people buy those rims.
Other than that I think those rims don't look bad at all
I wouldn't say all that. First off, I've had ADR wheels before and loved them. TSW wheels tend to be soft, but I've never had problems with the ADR's. They were relatively light for a cast 17" wheel and looked sweet. ADR doesn't consist of knockoff wheels, but have their own designs. After a while, ALL rim companies start to carry similar versions of the same wheels.
Blazin:I can understand how you'd have some kind fo wierd feeling when you paid 4 times what someone else did for some rims. Your rims are much lighter.
Some people can't or won't pay $300-500 a wheel for forged japanese wheels, and settle for knock offs. Even if I had the cash for TE-37's, I would just buy the imatations just because I don't believe in spending $2K+ for wheels. But, just because you want to buy the originals, don't think less of the companies that have knock off nor the people that buy them. It's all about the best value.
It's all about the big picture. Speaking for myself, I don't have an unlimited budget. Having said that, I'd rather save $1,500 on wheels and put that money into a downpayment for a house. Over 25 years with interest, that $1,500 is going to total out to more sets of Volks that you've ever seen in your life.
Say all you want about the quality of ADR's, but when it comes down to it, wheels almost never break on their own-- they break from road damage. I have heard about plenty of legit TE-37's cracking on potholes. With my budget and the roads I'm forced to drive, top of the line wheels is like throwing money away.
For the record, I have a set of 16" ADR Spiders on my Civic. I love them-- the build quality and the finish look great to me. They definitely are not as light as Mugen's, but then again neither is my wallet.
This is true, here's my scale:
$75 per wheel Pep Boys special - dog shite
$150 per wheel Rota/Koenig/ADR - quality performance wheel
$300 per wheel Volk/BBS/Speedline - ulta high quality, ultra high performce wheel
Don't let these guys convice you that mid level wheels are complete shite becuase that is simply not true. What is true is expensive forged wheels are better than their cast counterparts, but you need to determine if you need that much wheel. Unless you will be doing serious Auto-X or road racing the answer is probably no.
Don't waste money of Volks just so you can drive to the grocery store on JDM.
Rezon, I am in the same boat as you. I didn't want to spend $500+/wheel just so people wouldn't call my wheels 'knockoffs'. If it makes you feel better to spend the big dollars to get the big name, then by all means. But for my daily driver, I don't need to be 'bling-blingin' on $2500 in wheels.
I am running 18" ADR Phase1 wheels. Almost 10K miles so far, and they are still perfect.
I'd like to know where you found volks for $300. I think the scale should be adjusted as such:
$75 per wheel Pep Boys special - dog shite
$150 per wheel Rota/Koenig/ADR - Decent alloy wheel
$300 per wheel BBS/Speedline(cast) - quality performance wheel
$450 per wheel Volk/ Advan(forged) - ulta high quality, ultra high performce wheel
yeah they're brand new, no scratches, less than 1000 miles... I'm not sure yet thought becuase I might have my car in some upcomming shows... Anyhow I'll have more pictures of my car posted soon. This new web board costed me a grip and we are running on a new server too but shoot someone's gotta pay Maybe I'll have some banners on the site, what do you guys think?