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This is a discussion on Alignment basics within the Suspension & Wheels forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; hey, i have had a huge arguement with the dealer about my alignment. i have never had it right since ...

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    worn tyres

    hey, i have had a huge arguement with the dealer about my alignment. i have never had it right since delivery its an 06 wrx and it has always pulled to the left and the tyres have feathered badly soi took it back and it has been aligned 6 times now i have had enough so i said to fix the actual problem and not put a bandaid on the issue... long sotry short they have rotated wheels and aligned it to my specs hopefully it will go well... anyways point to this post is this he said that i would only get 25,000km out of my tyres... somehow i dont think this is correct what do you guys usually get out of a soft compund tyre, i use bridgestone potenzas ....

    also they said that my driving is the main cause of the issue, so in their theory i intentionally hit every pothole on the road and slam into gutters and fly over speedbumps

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    lots of Bridegestone Potenza's- which ones? Don't kow what that is in miles, but yes a hi po tire it's not uncommon to see only 15,000 miles- especially if one is autoxing/tracking their car.

    feathering is usually a toe issue
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    The Potenza S03 is Bridgestone's new global flagship ultra high performance tyre.

    Featuring Bridgestone's latest AQ DONUTS II tyre technology, the S03 offers drivers ultimate performance on dry and wet roads, as well as a comfortable and quiet ride.

    those are the tyres on my car, the car is an everyday driver and i dont push it a lot

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    The S03 is a great tire I've run them before They do tend to wear a little quicker than some of the other hi po offerings, but the cobination of dry/wet grip is worth a little trade-off on lengevity. There still is an issye w/ the feathering which point to too much toe- in or out. I try running 0 toe (and I mean 0 on the nose- not a little in or out) front and rear and see if that helps.
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    Complete noob ? here.

    What is feathering... at high speeds when you wheel shakes a little ?
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    Feathering is a condition of your tire (usually one side of the tire- inner or outer) that appears as a feathering or sawtooh looking edges


    It's caused by the tire "scrubbing" against the surface and it's root cause is too much toe either in or out.
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    ballast?

    So do most places ballast the car when doing the alignment, or is the difference caused by someone in the drivers seat pretty insignificant? Is it worth asking for?

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    I've jumped in and out of the car and the Hunter machine doesn't show much difference to be honest.

    When your corner weighting a car however it's critical to have the driver's weight (or driver/co-driver) in, alignemnt it seems much less so- it certainly couldn't hurt, but probably not necessary.
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    big sky! Help!

    got another thread going about this, but this is a direct request:

    I need some sort of documentation which illustrates the fact that the camber (on a straight, true, stock car) should be able to go as far as -1.5

    I need this documentation to provide to my insurance company/body shop so I can get quality work out of them - they are saying as long as they get it to factory spec, that they have done their job . . .

    HELP! Where can I find this!!??
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    I had just had some Helix DNA coilovers installed (18x7.5 Rims with 235/40/18 Tires) a few weeks ago and just tried to have my car aligned at les schwab tire center and this is the result:

    Front: Left = -1.2 Camber
    Front: Left = 0.10 toe
    Front: Right = 0.4 Camber
    Front: Right = -0.64 Toe

    Rear: Left = -1.5 Camber
    Rear: Left = -0.15 Toe
    Rear: Right = -1.9 Camber
    Rear: Right = -6.65 Toe

    Now Im no expert on alignment/toe/camber such but something is up. They have asked me if I was in an accident before because 6.65 Toe on the rear sounds obsured. Im almost positive that the New Helix DNA's have something to do with it.. But what.. Wrong installation? Bad Coilover?

    Whats even more fustrating is before I even took my car in to have an alignment. my car felt fine. Driving on the HWY and such I didnt have much of any pulling to the left or right, but now after I had les Schwab take a look at my car and play with the settings. My steering is tilt about a half an inch while driving straight. I'm going to take my car back today to see if I can have them put it back to how it was before I figure out whats up with my rear right Toe setting.

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    six degrees of toe would be obvious to the naked eye- you'd be dragging the effected tire down the road- your car would be an erratic mess diving/weaving to and fro

    Something is wrong- sounds like it might be their problem, believe me you would notice that much toe difference left/right.
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    I called Les Schwab back this morning and asked them to try to restore the settings back around to what it was before I had taken my car in and they pratically refused to work with my car anymore since my rear right toe is -6.65. They told me to take it to a body shop to have it checked out, but I never ever been in a accident to have my tire affect as much. Wouldnt it be obvious for them not to work on my car in the first place if that were the case?

    I placed a call to the next Les Schwab in town and made a complaint against this shop (Shop is in Davis CA for you locals). I wasn't able to talk to the manager because he was in a meeting, but the assistant manager promised me the store manager will give them a call and investigate the matter then call me back.

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    ehhh,, I'm gonna say it's the service center, ask for a refund and to get it back to where it was.. Call around and find an alignment only shop and ask if they do custom set ups.. Thanks to Big Sky get your 0 toe all around and as much neg. camb. as you can, or feel comfortable with.. I hear its kind of a pain but people that take pride in there work will have no problem.. my .02
    they should of had a reading of what it was before they started messing with it, ask em about that.
    I'd say if it's that bad, then they wrecked it, check your wheels...
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    Must read sticky If so you would have a before/after reading printout. If a shop won't provide it (you tell them up front you need it), move on to another.

    Good luck w/ your situation
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    I thought about trying to get the car aligned to the recommended -1.3 / -0.8 (front/rear) camber recommendations on this thread.
    If you didn't have camber bolts in the rear, but had plates in the front.
    Would -1.8 / -1.3 (front/rear) work the same way? (other than the obvious slightly more agressive setup). Would that setup be too agressive for street/daily driving?

    And if not mistaken, even with that last setup, as long as toe and cross toe is as close to zero as possible tire wear would not be a big issue. correct?
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