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This is a discussion on Ohio Roll Call within the North Central States forums, part of the Regional Discussion category; Thanks fatgroundhog that'll help me on my Acquisition 201 test....

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    Thanks fatgroundhog that'll help me on my Acquisition 201 test.

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    Yeah... People like me whined until they got it out into production. Trying to make the customer happy ended up making the customer without a car. They have been very up front in what is going on, and what the status of things are. Big plus! My worry now is a bunch of people taking their car to the subi dealership with a busted ECU. This is not going to make Subaru happy. I foresee a bunch of fraud warrantee claims...... Not good for us. Especially when you make a ligament claim. They are going to be a lot more suspicious....

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    Originally posted by fatgroundhog
    Tubby- didn't see you at the suicide training...

    In development, there are three major points: 1. price, 2. reliability, 3. schedule. Cobb has done a really good job for us WRX guys, and was trying to apply the same knowledge to the XT and STi. They crunched price and schedule, but seem to have gotten bitten by the reliability (not enough testing so they could get it out quickly). Hey, it happens, even to multi-million dollar defense programs.

    I know that doesn't help the folks with a Forrester-shaped paper weight in their garage.
    I just wonder what will be done if the Forester ECU's are actually ruined? You think Cobb will pay for those? That could get expensive..........

    On a side note, I still love my stage 2.
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    Originally posted by integratowrx
    I just wonder what will be done if the Forester ECU's are actually ruined? You think Cobb will pay for those? That could get expensive..........

    On a side note, I still love my stage 2.
    Or they will just give you a free second horn.....

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    My thoughts are this - XT owners will most likely need new ECUs. I'm guessing that only the 1st gen XT ECU's are at fault here, cause several XT owners have had no problems at all.

    I know that many ECU's are already in Cobb's hands being worked upon, but the downtime that they are all experiencing now can't be good for their legal team. I'm sure we will get some lawsuits out of this if Subaru clamps their hand down on warranties and ECU returns when this becomes a big issue.

    XT owners need to chill out and let Cobb fix them up. It's not a Subaru issue, and certainly Cobb's fix will be much less expensive.

    On the dealer aspect, what can they actually do to fix things? Can they actually reflash the ECU with the stock programming? Seems to me it'd be too tricky especially with at least 2 gens of STI and XT ECUs. Doesn't sound to me like anyone but Cobb will have a doable fix for this one. Having your XT towed to the dealer is a bad idea as well, since they can't do anything either. Your car just now sits in THEIR lot as another paperweight. One that reminds them of how many owners actually mod their cars out and void their warranties.

    This isn't good for the Subaru modding market for sure.


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    Good points. I read a few people taking them to the dealership.
    It's my understanding that most dealerships don't have the capibility to reflash. Maybe there was an update, but last I saw only 1 XT owner got his to init.

    My wife would kill me if that happened to her XT

    Yet again... as the saying goes. You play you pay.

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    Your wife and child would be driving a nice STi and you'd be in the truck.

    Oh well...like Integra, I still love my stage 2 (threw my head back today when I got on it in second gear).

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    I guess it's solved now:




    David,
    >
    > Very odd. Let me just go ahead and work on getting
    > you a new AccessPORT. It will likely ship tomorrow
    > and I'll next day air it to you so you have it by
    > Friday. I'll also include a return UPS sticker you
    > can use to send back the defective AccessPORT.
    >
    > I'm fearful that we may have some faulty memory
    > banks in there that somehow passed the sanity checks
    > during our in-house initialization but isn't
    > functioning properly. This will also be a bit
    > faster considering John's current work load dealing
    > with some other issues.
    >
    > Let me know the address most convenient for you to
    > have the AccessPORT shipped to and we'll get you
    > taken care of ASAP.
    >
    > Sorry for the troubles,
    > Trey Cobb.

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    Originally posted by subisnack
    Or they will just give you a free second horn.....
    stfu, lol.
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    Originally posted by zoophagy
    The people that work there are, for the most part, retards. I used to work there.

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    No Kil Kare for me tongiht. I want to get the overboost taken care of first.

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    there you are kev. was wondering where all the early morning people were at.

    what overboosting problem? and is anyone trying to go up there, etc?
    03 wrx - 300whp/270wtq
    Originally posted by zoophagy
    The people that work there are, for the most part, retards. I used to work there.

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    Originally posted by Snowvert
    there you are kev. was wondering where all the early morning people were at.

    what overboosting problem? and is anyone trying to go up there, etc?
    He just posted on the last page or so that when he steps on it in 5th, the boost creeps up, and he's been hitting the fuel cut-off. Hopefully Cobb will release a revision to Stage 1 soon.

    I'll be at KilKare if it's not raining. I'll probably be in my new pimp '91 Accord. I'm thinkin' about getting some of those sweet hubcap spinnaz for it.
    '02 PSM WRX
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    Yah me too, I gotta concert and besides I'm still stage 0 anyway.

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    Originally posted by KillPaulHogan
    Yah me too, I gotta concert and besides I'm still stage 0 anyway.
    What concert you going to?
    '02 PSM WRX
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    The Shins up in Columbus

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