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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Looks aside, the motor and drivetrain in the new WRX will far outperform the motor and drivetrain in your '12, I can promise you this. I'd expect a small price bump, though.

    I'd still expect this drawing is not close to the actual design.
    The performance with a 6 speed manual and chassis improvements could be better. But I feel the current gens 2.5 will have an low end torque advantage compared to the new gen's 2.0. More displacement being one of them. Then again, i can be wrong.
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    Hopefully it looks nothing like that rendering. Anyone else notice the lack of a WRX badge on the grill

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    Quote Originally Posted by velociraptor View Post
    The performance with a 6 speed manual and chassis improvements could be better. But I feel the current gens 2.5 will have an low end torque advantage compared to the new gen's 2.0. More displacement being one of them. Then again, i can be wrong.
    Are you a 1970s Muscle car guy? Ain't no replacement for displacement?

    I can't argue with that statement in entirety, but I can promise you a turbocharged FA20 will boast similar torque to the outgoing EJ25x. Direct injection, higher compression ratio, and a square engine geometry will all lend to off-boost performance. The square bore:stroke being key here: this motor is bound to put down considerably more torque than the outgoing 2L and likely more than the 2.5L. Frankly, the EJ series is way behind the times: it's time for an update. Ever wonder how the 2L EcoBoost in the Ford Focus ST puts down 270 ft-lbs of torque? Sure, the smaller K03 plays it's part, but the motor is much more suited for turbo duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velociraptor View Post
    The performance with a 6 speed manual and chassis improvements could be better. But I feel the current gens 2.5 will have an low end torque advantage compared to the new gen's 2.0. More displacement being one of them. Then again, i can be wrong.
    I'm not hearing anything as far as a major power boost. I've heard everything to the same(265) up to 295 The current model is pretty damn quick anyways. The 6-speed can be geared to make up for any lack in torque that the 2.0 may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Are you a 1970s Muscle car guy? Ain't no replacement for displacement?

    I can't argue with that statement in entirety, but I can promise you a turbocharged FA20 will boast similar torque to the outgoing EJ25x. Direct injection, higher compression ratio, and a square engine geometry will all lend to off-boost performance. The square bore:stroke being key here: this motor is bound to put down considerably more torque than the outgoing 2L and likely more than the 2.5L. Frankly, the EJ series is way behind the times: it's time for an update. Ever wonder how the 2L EcoBoost in the Ford Focus ST puts down 270 ft-lbs of torque? Sure, the smaller K03 plays it's part, but the motor is much more suited for turbo duty.
    Glad to hear about the DI.That should really help with fuel economy as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Are you a 1970s Muscle car guy? Ain't no replacement for displacement?
    I agree with your statement that its not just the displacement. There are other factors too (undersq vs oversq) in generating low end numbers. I do like muscle cars and have the opinion that displacement do have a well played role in generating low end torque. But I like turbos too at the same time, which is why I am getting the Rex. I agree with the ST. It generates much low end torque @ 2500 RPM.The Ford ecoboosts V6 generate much more power than the old GT's V8. But the torque unfortunately comes a little later on V6 compared to the V8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velociraptor View Post
    The performance with a 6 speed manual and chassis improvements could be better. But I feel the current gens 2.5 will have an low end torque advantage compared to the new gen's 2.0. More displacement being one of them. Then again, i can be wrong.
    I think you are, for two reasons, one of which is because Zax says so

    The other is this:

    Current WRX with 2.5 = 265 hp @ 6000 rpms, 244 tq @ 4000 rpms

    Forester XT 2.0 = 250 hp @ 5,600 rpms, 258 tq @ 2000 rpms

    Looks to me like the 2.0 actually kicks the 2.5's ass when it comes to low end power.
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    Found this. Not sure which Subaru model it is for though..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post
    Forester XT 2.0 = 250 hp @ 5,600 rpms, 258 tq @ 2000 rpms

    Looks to me like the 2.0 actually kicks the 2.5's ass when it comes to low end power.
    Is that 2.0 a newer motor? If so, that's very impressive ! Proved me wrong !!
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    Front is ok but I do not like the back or the rims!! And seems like exhaust tip is smaller!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by velociraptor View Post
    Is that 2.0 a newer motor? If so, that's very impressive ! Proved me wrong !!
    Yeah, sorry I didn't put a year next to the Forester. That's the current Fozie XT engine, the turbocharged FA20 that Zax referred to.
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    I can promise you that the WRX and STi will likely ship with more aggressive cam profiles. I'd guess that the WRX specs will be slightly more power at the expense of torque. Subaru has no need to jump the torque on the outgoing WRX, so my guess is they'd target the outgoing 244 lb-ft with a slight increase in horsepower. 270/245 should be sufficient.
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    Assuming the 2.0 matches or exceeds the output of the 2.5, what would the downsides be for the smaller displacement? Would there be any reason to go for the outgoing engine?

    As for the looks, the current version never looked quite right to me. If the new car looks like the renderings then I think it is a great improvement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Logics View Post
    Assuming the 2.0 matches or exceeds the output of the 2.5, what would the downsides be for the smaller displacement? Would there be any reason to go for the outgoing engine?

    As for the looks, the current version never looked quite right to me. If the new car looks like the renderings then I think it is a great improvement!
    Isn't the 2.0 L because they can come back to WRC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velociraptor View Post
    Isn't the 2.0 L because they can come back to WRC?
    No, the rules changed when the WRC moved from Group A homologation requirements to "World Rally Car" requirements: World Rally Car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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