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    Quote Originally Posted by 06wrx4me View Post

    What I know is when you take an NA designed engine and retrofit a turbo or any kind of FI without changing the internals (ie stock cams and pistons), you see gains between 40%-60% at boost levels between 6-8 PSI. Sorry that would be 220whp NA not 300 oops.

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    This is a totally erroneous statement, there are many other factors that affect the power an engine will make. Such as the SIZE of the turbine creating the 6-8 psi, exhaust, rpm etc. And my numbers prove your theory wrong.

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    you must forgive some of the vageye owners they get pissy about stuff sometimes when sand gets up in there vag grille. Nice Honda by the way man those are respectable numbers especially for a honda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS-R CiviC View Post
    This is a totally erroneous statement, there are many other factors that affect the power an engine will make. Such as the SIZE of the turbine creating the 6-8 psi, exhaust, rpm etc. And my numbers prove your theory wrong.
    Go back to honda land cause here in subaru land 1+1=2 ...........most days.

    Your car put down 275 wheel hp.

    Math at 6 grade level.

    stock civic si= 197hp

    40%=.40
    197x.40=78.8 hp gain

    78.8+197=275.8hp

    that of course is assuming that a stock civic si gets 197 hp to the wheels which i doubt it does.

    so to get wheel hp.
    You must take into acount parasitic losses which amount to around 10-15% on a FWD car. We'll take 12.5 for fun (its the average between the two)


    275.8 crank hp x 87.5% or (.875)=241.325 Wheel Hp


    Now the high side.

    197 x 60% (.60)=118.2 hp

    197+118.2=315.2 hp

    315.2 x .875=275.8 wheel hp

    Sweet Jesus its magic!!!! You got around a 60% gain!!!

    Now last I checked, your claimed 272-275whp definatly lies between 241.325 and 275.8 whp. So no statement I made was erroneous in any way. In fact it was 100% right.

    PS It works for other cars too.
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    oh take it easy kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlobWagon View Post
    oh take it easy kids.
    You can call me an ***hole. Just dont call me wrong.

    If I make a mistake I apologize quickly. I was initially wrong cause I read his 275WHP as 375WHP.....sorry. Which my bad I have no doubt it can do it we just went through it, congratulations.

    But if you are gonna come at me you better be right (especially when numbers are involved) or I'm gonna make you look dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06wrx4me View Post
    You can call me an ***hole. Just dont call me wrong.

    If I make a mistake I apologize quickly. I was initially wrong cause I read his 275WHP as 375WHP.....sorry. Which my bad I have no doubt it can do it we just went through it, congratulations.

    But if you are gonna come at me you better be right (especially when numbers are involved) or I'm gonna make you look dumb.
    Then correct yourself and be done with it, although I do know how some people get on these online pissing contests. It never ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlobWagon View Post
    Then correct yourself and be done with it, although I do know how some people get on these online pissing contests. It never ends.
    Agreed never say anything wrong over on the Pirate4x4.com boards ...........jesus!!

    Again welcome to the club!

    Sorry for misreading your first hp post.
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    Let's play nice, or else the thread will be closed.
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    Guess you missed the part in the first post about not hating and starting a pissing contest.


    Quote Originally Posted by 06wrx4me View Post

    stock civic si= 197hp

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    That is a 06 Civic Si, if you look at the link that I posted it clearly states which engine I have, and it is clearly not a K20. I have a JDM B18c which puts down about 150whp stock:

    http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549400 (sorry no dyno but its all i could find and does not seem hard to believe.)

    So according to you formula I should be making 210-240 whp:

    (150*.4)+150= 210 whp
    (150*.6)+150= 240 whp

    ...and I clearly am making 272whp which is and increase of about 80%, so therefore I see you formula as flawed because there are too many other variables to take into account to determine the power increase.

    I would like to know where you got that formula from anyway, could you provide a source for me? (not being sarcastic I would really like to see where it came from)

    I hope putting people down really make you fell better about you self, because it serves no other purpose here. This is suppose to be a place to come for help so just stick with what you said before


    Quote Originally Posted by 06wrx4me View Post

    Again welcome to the club!
    Please just leave it at that next time. Guess this was to be expected when a humble Honda guy over steps the boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D0WNxSH1FT View Post
    Let's play nice, or else the thread will be closed.
    I'm sorry I really did not want this to happen as stated in my first post, o well do what you must...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS-R CiviC View Post
    I'm sorry I really did not want this to happen as stated in my first post, o well do what you must...
    Dont worry, you have been fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRXmex View Post
    I hate all of you
    Yea, I think I'll stick to honda-tech.com...

    Quick question, maybe can get us back on track, were there any years where the rear seats were made to fold down on the WRX? or are there plans to do so on the STI? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS-R CiviC View Post
    Yea, I think I'll stick to honda-tech.com...

    Quick question, maybe can get us back on track, were there any years where the rear seats were made to fold down on the WRX? or are there plans to do so on the STI? Thanks!
    No wagons only.

    In 08 the wrx is rumored to be a hatch maybe then but doubtful on sti.
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