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    By rev matching do you mean downshifting to say 3rd from 4th and having to rev the engine to just enough RPM to shift properly without jerking the car?

    If so, I do this and have done this since the day I started driving a manual (about 5 years). I had thought this was the proper way to down shift, no?

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    I have to wonder what happens to the "always heel-toe" guys in a car that won't allow it. My Toyota doesn't due to pedal positions. Since I never do it on the road I don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rurso01 View Post
    By rev matching do you mean downshifting to say 3rd from 4th and having to rev the engine to just enough RPM to shift properly without jerking the car?

    If so, I do this and have done this since the day I started driving a manual (about 5 years). I had thought this was the proper way to down shift, no?
    That's my thought on the matter.


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    I have to wonder what happens to the "always heel-toe" guys in a car that won't allow it. My Toyota doesn't due to pedal positions. Since I never do it on the road I don't care.
    I don't always heel-toe... but when I do... It's normally not around the presence of others. Every once in a while if the situation is an odd one that would benefit from it (long downhill stretch where I am in the incorrect gear for example) I will. I do when I'm in the car by myself before some bends for some practice here and there. I'm not very fluid with it - my throttle control is not as smooth with only half a foot on the pedal.
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    I got my WRX a month ago and still have issues with downshifting.

    Can someone write their process of what they are doing with their feet/stick when getting off a highway in 5th and stopping at a light by normal downshifting and not heal toeing?

    It might clear somethings up for me.
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    Brake. If the car might need to move forward but you are still in 5, drop to, say, 3 or 2 as necessary. If not, stop the car and remove 5 in exchange for N before the car starts stammering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    I have to wonder what happens to the "always heel-toe" guys in a car that won't allow it. My Toyota doesn't due to pedal positions. Since I never do it on the road I don't care.

    Most cars are surprisingly easy to heel toe.. but occasionally there are some that just are not set up right. In that case, if I have to stop suddenly I will clutch in and apply heavy brake. If it's a gradual slow down I will blip the throttle, downshift, moderate brake, release brake, blip throttle, downshift, etc. Pretty much the same way I drive my car, but with mine I will throw in a heel toe when it fits the circumstance. It gives me something to do rather than just sitting there.



    Quote Originally Posted by thescreensavers View Post
    I got my WRX a month ago and still have issues with downshifting.

    Can someone write their process of what they are doing with their feet/stick when getting off a highway in 5th and stopping at a light by normal downshifting and not heal toeing?

    It might clear somethings up for me.


    I've explained it a bunch of times. I'm sure there are youtube videos that would explain better than just typing it out.. maybe I should make a video of my own just to show how easy the peddle work is once you have sufficient practice at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heide264 View Post
    Taken to a larger scale at the track, it's always frowned upon to leave your car engine braking let alone out of gear. Most call that state an "out of control" state. The idea is to always have your car under throttle or moderate/heavy braking to maintain consistent control.


    Yeah.. I always feel like I should either be hard on the gas, or hard on the brake, not in between. Of course daily driving on the streets you have to compromise because of stupid "laws" and such.. but to keep from getting bored and spacing out I often pretend I'm on a race track in a car with no power or traction, so I focus heavily on smooth weight transitions and efficiency while always keeping it in gear. At least it gives my life some degree of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    Brake. If the car might need to move forward but you are still in 5, drop to, say, 3 or 2 as necessary. If not, stop the car and remove 5 in exchange for N before the car starts stammering.
    Well yea thats what I do now, I can downshift I am getting faster at it but I just wanted to read it out and see if I am missing anything lol
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    Heel toeing is a matter of preferance I think.

    Matching rpms when you downshift is just good practice. Why be harder on the clutch, or have a jerkier ride when a quick blip on the downshift makes it all better?

    When I downshift, I always rev match.

    Engine braking is a different subject. I see nothing wrong with the engine providing a bit of drag when coming to a stop. I try to avoid extreme engine braking as in going down a mountain.

    Good rule of thumb is to be smooth. Smooth in shifting, breaking, and driving in general. Less wear and tear, and a better ride.

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    There are LOTS of videos on YouTube on the subject and also just how to drive a manual vehicle. Only problem is lots of the videos are older and the person is just talking and talking. A few have mulitple camera angles which is nice but it's hard to see the feet/pedals. Sooooo, I suggest one of you guys make a short video (3mins or less) on how to downshift/heal-toe.

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    Re: braking and downshifting

    Why not a heel-toe-double-clutch vid while we're at it? That's always fun =)
    Or even just double clutching... helps me get through the commute.

    Ohh or heel-toe-double-clutch to left-foot-brake..... fakie. Hehehe xP

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsayz View Post
    I suggest one of you guys make a short video (3mins or less) on how to downshift/heal-toe.

    This is all you need to know, right here...


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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    I have to wonder what happens to the "always heel-toe" guys in a car that won't allow it. My Toyota doesn't due to pedal positions. Since I never do it on the road I don't care.
    I'll tell you what happens to me - I keep going for it anyway and keep missing, so I do the same downshifts, with the same speed on the clutch, but without matching revs, resulting in a harsh downshift. Then I remember and change my driving style to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XRedJar View Post
    Engine braking is a different subject. I see nothing wrong with the engine providing a bit of drag when coming to a stop. I try to avoid extreme engine braking as in going down a mountain.
    What is "extreme" about engine braking when going down a mountain? It's not doing anything bad to your engine...
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