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    Welcome to the forum.

    Just because I don't think anyone else picked up on this, the Cobb stg2 map calls for a catted downpipe. That map won't work well with the catless invidia you mentioned. Also, (may just be a typo on your part) you should be running the stg1+AEM tune, not just stg1 right now. May be why your target boost was off.

    If you really want to keep the catless dp, then my advice would be to sell the ap and take the money from that and buy a pro-tune.

    Cobb's Map Notes for stg2+AEM:

    Stage2+AEM 93 MTv300 - Intended for an otherwise stock 2009-2011 Subaru WRX MT vehicle running a turboback
    exhaust with a high-flow catalytic converter and AEM Cold Air intake system. 93 or 94 octane fuels. Boost
    Targets: ~18.2psi peak boost pressure tapering down to ~13.5psi by the 7000 RPM redline, +/- 1psi.

    Stage2+AEM 91 MTv300 - Intended for an otherwise stock 2009-2011 Subaru WRX MT vehicle running a turboback
    exhaust with a high-flow catalytic converter and AEM Cold Air intake system. 91 or 92 octane fuels. Boost
    Targets: ~17.0psi peak boost pressure tapering down to ~13.0psi by the 7000 RPM redline, +/- 1psi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrettKoonsman View Post
    If that is your hope then don't even consider a turbo swap. Until you are willing to do all the proper supporting mods then don't even consider it. FMIC has absolutely no reason to go onto your car now or in the near future based on your mods and plans
    Good to hear about the FMIC. What would you consider "proper" supporting mods for a conservative turbo upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xFalleNx View Post
    Welcome to the forum.

    Just because I don't think anyone else picked up on this, the Cobb stg2 map calls for a catted downpipe. That map won't work well with the catless invidia you mentioned. Also, (may just be a typo on your part) you should be running the stg1+AEM tune, not just stg1 right now. May be why your target boost was off.

    If you really want to keep the catless dp, then my advice would be to sell the ap and take the money from that and buy a pro-tune.
    Sorry if I wasn't clear - the AEM intake is on its way in the mail along with the DP, i.e. not on the car yet.

    Hmm, guessing I should return the DP. Really would like to keep the AP.

    Thanks - Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbrock171 View Post
    Hmm, guessing I should return the DP. Really would like to keep the AP.
    Oh, sorry for the confusion. In the end it's all up to you. May I ask why you decided to go with a cat-less dp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xFalleNx View Post
    Oh, sorry for the confusion. In the end it's all up to you. May I ask why you decided to go with a cat-less dp?
    Sounded like a good idea at the time. I asked around a bit and was told that a map made for a high flow cat would work fine with no cat and that worst case scenario I'd have to use my AP to clear a check engine light for O2.

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    The part about the ap clearing the code is true, but the map won't work "fine" with the catless dp.

    IMO you have two options:

    a) keep the AP and return the DP and get a catted one, then run Cobb's STG2+AEM map
    b) sell the ap, take profits from that and get a protune for the catted dp and enjoy

    You seem to be in the same boat as me and want to keep your AP for ease of use. I went with a catted DP and Cobb's stg2 tune and eventually plan on getting it protuned with the AP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xFalleNx View Post
    The part about the ap clearing the code is true, but the map won't work "fine" with the catless dp.

    IMO you have two options:

    a) keep the AP and return the DP and get a catted one, then run Cobb's STG2+AEM map
    b) sell the ap, take profits from that and get a protune for the catted dp and enjoy

    You seem to be in the same boat as me and want to keep your AP for ease of use. I went with a catted DP and Cobb's stg2 tune and eventually plan on getting it protuned with the AP.
    Thanks for the advice. Yes, I definitely like the ease of use and data-logging and map-switching and everything I can do with the AP, especially since I go on a lot of road trips and would like to test out the economy map. I will probably end up getting a protune with the AP. Thanks again - Ben

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    Np man. Good luck with everything!
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    I running catless and noticed a few things.

    It will run rich. The tips are ALWAYS black. And I don't mean black from road grime. It takes serious cleaning to clean off. You will also notice the exhaust smell. Which may bother you. I dot mind too much. But I am going to take my invidia catless into the exhaust shop in town and have him drop a small core cat on it eventually.

    Also it was the reason I had to run the HWG Cobb tune. I eventually went to the TP OTS tune. Eric was able to get some 3rd gear pulls and take care of the boost issue. I am hitting roughly 18.9-19.2 PSI now. The tune is fairly more noticeably aggressive than the Cobb one was.

    Just a few words on the catless DP.

    If you want better flow, stay away from the FMIC as others said. Go get a bigger TMIC. You will pick up some HP and not have to retune from the stage 2 tune. Maybe take a couple data logs to ensure though.

    Enjoy the new whip!!


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    Where are you getting the info that you don't need to get a tune with a TMIC? I've never heard anything like that at all.

    Edit to add a little info:

    Most I've read is that you can run it without a tune, but there's a good risk of it not running good at all or throwing a CEL. I just personally don't see the point of spending your hard earned money on a mod and not get the most out of it i.e. catless dp with OTS map, TMIC without tune. I just don't really get it. You spend all your money on it, why not get the most out of it.


    Here's some other info I found:
    "The car will just run more consistently and safer. TMICs in and of themselves do not provide an HP increase, they don't provide any additional airflow. They let car run more consistently since heat is dispersed throughout the larger area which keeps air cooler, longer. some tuners like to push a bit more boost because of this but that's up to you.
    Dyno measurements that show hp increases with ICs usually show the increase simply because of the cooler air from a cool IC that enters the combustion chamber. As temps increase, you will notice that the largest benefit is more consistent power even on longer runs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTSamb View Post
    I running catless and noticed a few things.

    It will run rich. The tips are ALWAYS black. And I don't mean black from road grime. It takes serious cleaning to clean off. You will also notice the exhaust smell. Which may bother you. I dot mind too much. But I am going to take my invidia catless into the exhaust shop in town and have him drop a small core cat on it eventually.

    Also it was the reason I had to run the HWG Cobb tune. I eventually went to the TP OTS tune. Eric was able to get some 3rd gear pulls and take care of the boost issue. I am hitting roughly 18.9-19.2 PSI now. The tune is fairly more noticeably aggressive than the Cobb one was.

    Just a few words on the catless DP.

    If you want better flow, stay away from the FMIC as others said. Go get a bigger TMIC. You will pick up some HP and not have to retune from the stage 2 tune. Maybe take a couple data logs to ensure though.

    Enjoy the new whip!!


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    All good things to know. Thanks. Will it still run rich even with the AEM intake? I was under the impression that tends to make it run leaner. Also, where would be a good place to start looking for OTS AP maps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xFalleNx View Post
    Where are you getting the info that you don't need to get a tune with a TMIC? I've never heard anything like that at all.
    I mean outside of the stage 2 tune. the tuners I spoke with said maybe doing 3rd gear pulls and data logging to ensure, but a stage 2 OTS tune should suffice for a a TMIC

    Again, just info I have been given. Is that not true because that would e good to know before buying one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbrock171 View Post
    All good things to know. Thanks. Will it still run rich even with the AEM intake? I was under the impression that tends to make it run leaner. Also, where would be a good place to start looking for OTS AP maps?
    The tune will account for the AEM

    I used Torqued Performance, but a lot of guys also love the Cobb maps
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTSamb
    I mean outside of the stage 2 tune. the tuners I spoke with said maybe doing 3rd gear pulls and data logging to ensure, but a stage 2 OTS tune should suffice for a a TMIC

    Again, just info I have been given. Is that not true because that would e good to know before buying one!
    The amount of money a worthwhile TMIC costs would make it a waste to run on a base map. You should be able to pick up 15-20hp with proper tuning, as well as a broader powerband.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    The amount of money a worthwhile TMIC costs would make it a waste to run on a base map. You should be able to pick up 15-20hp with proper tuning, as well as a broader powerband.

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