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    oh boy... 2011 or 2009? Decisions, decisions....

    So I've gotten a quote from Mastro subaru down near Orlando, FL. 25,138 for a 2011 blue wrx 5 door hatch with short throw shifter and center arm-rest extension. I checked on Edmunds and that's edmund's invoice pricing. Which sounds like a pretty decent deal to me.

    At the same time they also have a red 2009 wrx for 21k with 18k miles on it. I'm kinda tempted by that, but it's not a hatch, and I really would like to get the hatch.

    Either way, gonna have to make a decision soon. On the other hand, I have two cars I would like to sell, or at least one, before I drop money on a WRX.

    Lol I'm so tempted! Why did I catch the AWD Rex bug?! Why?! Curse you, Subaru! XD haha

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    if you can afford the '11, get the '11.


    also- mastro is awesome. i bought my wrx from them in 06 (well, it was bob dance back then) but they have great customer service and their service department is pretty good too.

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    yeah, the dealers here in Jacksonville won't deal with me at all. For some reason they'er under the impression that you can't get a Rex for below invoice anywhere, despite the fact that I've shown them "proof" otherwise... as in, this website :P I guess you can't really take the word of club members as proof, but still...

    Mastro is at least working with me. Hopefully I can sell my vehicles pretty soon. I may just go ahead and order and put the money towards the loan as I sell them off.

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    Myself, I would get the 2011 for sure. Now, if you could get the 09 for that price with 0 miles and the same apr as the 11 then it would be a different story.
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    if you can get 2 or more dealers competing against each other you should have no problem getting the '11 $500 or more under invoice pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rejor11 View Post
    yeah, the dealers here in Jacksonville won't deal with me at all. For some reason they'er under the impression that you can't get a Rex for below invoice anywhere, despite the fact that I've shown them "proof" otherwise... as in, this website :P I guess you can't really take the word of club members as proof, but still...
    Don't get caught up in this. It doesn't matter what you can prove or what they can prove. All that matter is how much you are willing to give them for a car. If you can agree on that number, great. If not, keep shopping.

    Mastro is at least working with me. Hopefully I can sell my vehicles pretty soon. I may just go ahead and order and put the money towards the loan as I sell them off.
    This could be risky. The used car market is probably not stellar, and you'd be putting down $ expecting a sale or sales that may take longer or yield a smaller amount than you'd hoped. I don't have a solution -- I'm just pointing out a potential issue.
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    Hey I just bought my 2011 today and i got it a bit lower than invoice from Suburban of Subaru/ Saturn of Stuart. Check them out, its not too far from Orlando and they are REALLY laid back and very easy to deal with. Im sure they can find you a bad ass deal. just sayin

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    Get the 2011. The wider track of the wheel base can not be upgraded. The nice rims, and stiffer subframe bushings is money u don't have to spend along with the body kit (wide body flares). It may share the same power, but its new with a warrenty. Just do it. The best wrx ever. I've owned 2 before my 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joecoolly14 View Post
    Hey I just bought my 2011 today and i got it a bit lower than invoice from Suburban of Subaru/ Saturn of Stuart. Check them out, its not too far from Orlando and they are REALLY laid back and very easy to deal with. Im sure they can find you a bad ass deal. just sayin
    Thanks, I'll check them out.

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    Agreed. I paid 24,795 including delivery for my 2011 4dr with short throw and armrest extension. There is more room in that price.

    Also, a brand new 2011 for only 4k more? Pretty much a no brainer to me. Keep in mind that 2009 COULD be a ticking time bomb, although it has made it 18k miles: 09 WRX Engine Failures
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    I just got off the phone with Suburban Subaru, and they're offering me the same price that they offered Joecooly. Just a matter of inventory selection right now.

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    2011 or 2009

    Go on get the checkbook out for the 2011. Scooby warranty, if it goes wrong it's not your problem for years to come. Plus state of the art Scooby, what more could you want? Could be a large bill you don't want otherwise and that plane and simply put, dampens the enjoyment of the purpose behind owning one, Or not folks???

    Somebody has to ensure there are well looked after Scoobies for us mortals in ten years time!

    Oh, By the way, if any of you knowledgable folk coold find your way to reading my message on "the official wagon thread" page 122 and offer some advice, I would be most gratefull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunkmonkey56 View Post
    Get the 2011. The wider track of the wheel base can not be upgraded.
    ha.. THAT is not true. It sure can, and I'm sure as time goes on more will be plunking the front arms/strut combo onto the 09-10 cars.
    The nice rims, and stiffer subframe bushings is money u don't have to spend along with the body kit (wide body flares). It may share the same power, but its new with a warrenty. Just do it. The best wrx ever. I've owned 2 before my 2011
    Subframe lockdown kit is $36 and takes less than half hour to install, makes 09-10 tighter than oem sti rear mounting.


    I personally think the 11's look wicked and if I were in the same boat I'd pick the 11 over the 09. That being said though, the reasons above aren't enough to pick one over the other. Its going to be a matter of financial burden and personal preference.
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    Get the 2011 - detailed reasons why.

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    I was in the same boat two weeks ago. This is going to be long, but worth the read for you - but I'll provide a cost approach anaylsis - I'm a financial professional.

    Long story short I bought the 2011 and you should too - it's actually cheaper monthly (at least, in my case it was - your mileage may vary slightly)

    My selection of 2009s was limited and even when I expanded my search to within 500 miles of 80918 the best price I could find was around $22,500. (cars.com) I did find some cheaper 2009s, however these were cars with salavage/rebuild titles. One had a clean title but had hail damage which was repaired and also 500 miles away. I really didn't want to fly out and drive it back over a weekend. I like to buy local but if the price difference is big enough, do it or at least use it to bargain. Tell them you will do it.

    I bought my base WRX (but it has the home link/auto dim mirror and center armrest extension, and all weather floor mats for $24,000 even + $500 D&H. I had no interest in paying an extra $2,500 for the "premium". Heated seats are nice but I've had 4 cars with sunroofs and I almost never used them. You can buy after-market heated seats for a lot cheaper anyway.

    With sales tax (5.9% - Colorado) and other state fees it came out to $26,055 out the door. I put down $3k and opted at the last minute to get the GAP insurance ($460) as this was apparently my "only chance" and it was already 9pm when we were signing the paperwork I drove the car twice the day before - However once he mentioned I can cancel it at anytime and get the prorated refund credited to my loan balance it was a easy choice. I told him he should open up with that when he pitches the gap coverage I figure I'll only need it for 6 months to a year at the most - heck maybe not at all considering I put $3k down but "used" 2011 prices aren't available yet to determine if I would be upside down or not. I couldn't get it through my insurance company without rewriting my whole policy which would involve pulling my MVR which would result in a higher premium (tidbit: Allstate doesn't check your MVR one you have a policy in force, unless you re-write it, ie change to a new policy and I had a 11pt speeding ticket just over 2 years ago.. falls off completely after 3 years.

    BUT ANYHOW.

    PROS of the 2011:

    1) Looks way better - you get the STI body style without the bench park for a spoiler. I smile each time I walk out to my car in the parking garage or garage at home. The wider fenders make the car look agressive yet classy. Also handles very nicely but I wouldn't feel immature taking clients out in it as I would have in the previous gen STI's (with the ugly blue interior and huge spoiler that screams "TOY"). Plus I like the wingless look of the base model WRX. Looks like a normal sedan yet I frequently find myself passing 100mph without really noticing it while either passing cars or simply on a open stretch of interstate. Best of all - no need to drop out of 5th gear on the interstate -- at 80MPH you have instant power delivery.

    By the way, budget in $500 for either a Escort 9800IX or Valantine One. You may not speed now, but you will. Like most sports car the difference in "feel" between 80MPH and 110mph is minute that you won't notice it until you come up quickly to a pack of cars moving slower -- I think I'm going with the Escort personally, I like the GPS lock out feature which eliminates false readings for fixed radar sources (ie businesses) as well as alerts you to all of the fixed speed / redlight cameras and it's updatable via the USB port and a internet connection. We don't have those in Colorado Springs but Denver does and they've been talking recently about adding redlight cameras to "improve" safety -- and of course the city's $15,000,000 plus budget short fall has NOTHING to do with the choice. I'm not sure if the V1 has this.

    2) Integrated blue tooth / iPod/iPhone controls is awesome. I have an iPhone and I love this feature. I can stream my audio via blue tooth and control via the phone or plug in with the USB port and control via the steering wheel / dash - plus it charges the phone at the same time. That for me was a huge selling point. When I get a call with my music playing, it automatically mutes, I answer, we talk, I hang up and it picks up where I left off.

    This has been standard is other cars for years but a new feature for the 2011. A must have for me. NOT offered in the 2009!

    3) Full warranty - with WRXs, buying used can be a gamble - They're affordable enough to where 21 year old kids and boy fast and the furious wanna bes can afford them or they're over priveledge high school / college age kids who's (idiot) parents bought it for them for graduation, sweet 16 or whatever. On Friday night I stopped by at a gas station to get gas which is also the hang out for the "street racing scene" - I saw three STIs all with drivers under the age 25 -- appeared to be under 21 but I'm being generous.

    The used 2009 WRX I drove was "completely stock" but I could tell it had an after market clutch. (In my early 20s I was into racing and had a 95 AWD Talon running mid-12s before I sold it shortly after getting married.

    I could tell the clutch because it required a lot more effort to push down (like my Talon's 2600lb clutch had, plus the adjustment was off so the clutch did not fully disengage until the clutch was just about to the bottom of the floor versus stock which is a few inches from the floor. This is just an adjustment to fix but still threw up a red flag for me.

    Bottom line, you have no idea how the previous owner treated the car and the dealer/seller sure isn't going to tell you. You'll get the "granny drove it to and from the store" bull **** story.

    4) Only a $1500 difference between brand new and a 2 year old used, well duh. Also keep reading, monthly payment wise the new is actually CHEAPER then a 2009 used if you finance.

    5) Lack of options. You said you want a hatch but the used is a sedan. Personally I like sedans and dislike the hatch (let's be honest, its a WAGON). It may be more practicle but maybe once a year when you have something "tall" like furnature. For every day stuff (groceries, golf clubs, luggage, ect the sedan works just fine and looks a lot better in my opinion.
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    CONS (aka the PROS of the 2009)

    1) 2009 is "cheaper" but only if you're paying cash and even then it's minimally so. If you finance it the cost come out to be roughly the same with the new one coming out slightly ahead due to better financing and insurance rates on new versus used (see below).

    2) Only 1 year remaining on the warranty, possible less then that depending on the millage. If the car was modded and then returned to stock, Subaru's mechanics can tell this (or so said my sales rep trying to sell me the used 2009) - According to him the car has what amounts to a black box that records higher boost readings that would come from altering the boost control or a larger turbo. His "proof" of this was his buddy modded his to a significantly higher amount of horse power, then blue the engine, returned it to stock and took it to the dealer with a "derr, I don't know what happened, it just stopped working". They called him a few hours later to tell him he could either pay for the new engine or pick up his car - they had proof the car had been modified and this caused the engine's demise. -- Could be bull****, but who knows, I don't. My sales guy shot himself in the foot with this story.

    Conclusion: Hands down get the 2011 - plus when you factor in two cost saving measures the 2011 comes out CHEAPER then the 2009.

    1) 1.9% for up to 36 months or 2.9% for 37-72 months.
    2) Insurance is cheaper ($300 cheaper a year in my case) due to the "new car discount" from Allstate - your own insurance company probably has something similar).

    Here's the cost analysis - assumes a 700+ FICO (that's all you need for Subaru's financing through Chase, in fact Tier1 and Tier2 had the same offerings and if I remember correctly Tier2 went down to 680. Local banks/credit unions may want up to a 740 or higher to get their best rates.

    But assuming you get A+ in both cases and finance just the car, and pay taxes / dealer handling separately (that's essentially what I did. $2k of my $3k down went towards that, $1000 towards the loan. I love how my the state makes just as much or more money on the sale of a car then the dealer. Could be worse.. this could be California.

    Used: $21,000 loan @ 4% (best local rate I could find here in CO) == $328/mo at 72 months

    Insurance - $750 every 6 (I'm 29, married have a house, motorcycle and 2 other cars with Allstate. = 125/mo

    New:

    $24,000 @ 2.9% over 72 months = $349
    Insurance with new car discount = $600 every 6, so $100/mo

    Used ends up being $453
    New ends up being... drum roll please, $449/mo

    New is cheaper then used? WTF? I know right? Only with a Subaru. WRXs and Subaru's in general HOLD THEIR VALUE. For example, I also looked briefly at Ford Fusions. I like their body style and a friend of mine has one and loves her's.

    Brand new they are $27-32k depending on options. At 2-3 years old they are $15k or less... HALF after only two years! Domestic brands are kind where you lose $5k just driving it off the lot. F that.

    So there you have it, a cost analysis from a financial professional. Get the 2011 and find a dealer willing to deal, that's my professional advise.

    I ended up having 3 dealers out bid each other until they all came down to same $2400 + handling. Never go to just one dealer. Go to edmunds.com to get a list of all the Subaru dealers in your state and start looking at the websites. In my case they were all set up the same (standard Subaru dealer website) which meant it took about 1-2 minutes per dealer to find what they had in inventory and the color/options.

    I actually had a last minute offer from a 4th dealer after checking with truecar.com (as I was on my way to pick up the car no less) for $460 less + a $100 rebate from the website (www.truecar.com) -- same exact features but it was BLACK instead of DARK GREY -- ie, impossible to keep clean, shows every raid drop and scatch.

    So technically the cheapest price I found was $23,400 + $500 D&H for a base model WRX.

    Good luck!

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