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    To cobb or not to cobb?

    I'm leasing an 09 WRX. DGM sedan

    I'm thinking of getting the Cobb Accessport. What are peoples general takes on the COBB? OTher than money

    Can I easily remove it?

    Does it cause excess wear on your engine? (it is leased...)

    Is it really just for stock vehicles???

    Best place to purchase?

    Feel free to answer any of the questions... Pros/Cons

    Thanks everyone for the help and feedback!!!

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    if your not planning on modding it besides the accessport it's not worth the money.you won't gain much with it if anything but Cobb makes quality products and it won't put any excess where on your engine.just be sure you don't load the wrong map.the stock ecu can only be mapped 100 times before it's toast FYI.

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    ^^^ WTF ? Is this proven ? I have never heard of only being able to flash an ECU XXX amount of times. Are you wanting to purchase the car AFTER the lease ? If not, why does it matter about the wear on the engine ? ANY modification done to your car is "extra" wear.

    I think just the opposite, if you are only going to have the car 2-3 years, I think it would be a decent investment IF you can get it for less than $700

    Then again, I don't understand leasing a car unless you are going to buy it.

    Good products for engine components from my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzr2874
    I think just the opposite, if you are only going to have the car 2-3 years, I think it would be a decent investment IF you can get it for less than $700
    While a custom open-source tune is not only cheaper ($400 max - you won't find an '09 AP for < $500), but will give you a broader power curve, more power, and be safer for the car in the long run.
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    IMO ap is to expensive if thats all your going to do to the car.

    +1 to opensource tune
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    I don't see the point in modifying a car that's not going to be yours. Either buy the car and mod it. Or lease it and keep it stock

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    my car is leased and i have a whole list of mods that i've done.

    i can put everything back to stock within an hour if i really needed to, and besides, im almost 95&#37; sure im buying it when my lease is up.


    anyway, to answer the original question, i have the accessport and the OTS stage 2 map right now.

    for what i needed it for- the 475$ ap was great. i can flash back to stock if i need to, i can get realtime data, use the dyno feature, etc etc.

    if i was doing anything above stage 2, i would recommend opensource

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrxtreme06
    for what i needed it for- the 475$ ap was great. i can flash back to stock if i need to, i can get realtime data, use the dyno feature, etc etc.
    How does does your dyno feature compare to your actual dyno results? Most of the ones I've seen posted haven't been that accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idipskoalmint View Post
    How does does your dyno feature compare to your actual dyno results? Most of the ones I've seen posted haven't been that accurate.
    i have 170 hp according to the AP

    it does read boost properly though.. the only reason why the dyno feature epic failed is because i didnt set it up right. you have to pick your weight and gear you want to pull in, then you have to pretty much cruise in that gear and wait for the thing to register.. then accelerate. doing all of this while trying to drive.. by yourself.. = no dice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrxtreme06
    i have 170 hp according to the AP
    That's weak

    Quote Originally Posted by wrxtreme06
    it does read boost properly though..
    It reads them similar to datalogging with a tactrix, probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by wrxtreme06
    the only reason why the dyno feature epic failed is because i didnt set it up right. you have to pick your weight and gear you want to pull in, then you have to pretty much cruise in that gear and wait for the thing to register.. then accelerate. doing all of this while trying to drive.. by yourself.. = no dice.
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    I confirm this sack-o-licious dyno reading on the AP as well. It is rather hard to do, an not accurate.
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    COBB AB vs. Opentune

    Quote Originally Posted by idipskoalmint View Post
    While a custom open-source tune is not only cheaper ($400 max - you won't find an '09 AP for < $500), but will give you a broader power curve, more power, and be safer for the car in the long run.
    09 AP looks to be around 695.00 retail... but I pulled this from a Cobb blog: "Stage1 for Stock Vehicles. 93 Octane fuel. +16% HP / +21.8% lb. ft." According to my math that's is 42 extra HP. Doesn't the AP give you a wider band of power and more options. (including changing it to fuel efficieny, valet mode etc.) Not to mention you can just flash it back to stock.

    I don't know why everyone is stating that the COBB is not worth in unless you have other modifications. From what I read it seems like they are meant to work with stock? Oh... what is Stage I?

    What is an Opentune exactly? Is it just physical modifcations? Should I expect similar results from an opentune? What kind of power increase can an opentune get you. Why is this better over the long run - it seems worse because you can't get it back to the stock tune?

    And as for the Lease. I have the car for 3 years. A 700 modification over three years would be worth it! I could just sell the AP at the end of the Lease.

    Let's say that ruining the ECU is a risk. How much does it cost to purchase a new ECU?

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    Opensource is Romraider and is cheaper, all you need is a Tactrix cable and the correct jumpers. It is no more difficult to reflash a tune with Romraider than it is with the Cobb AP. Check out this website RomRaider - Open Source ECU Tools | RomRaider / Rom Raider and the faqs on there. It should answer most of your questions about it. This is the route I will be heading in the near future. If you have anymore questions after reading the faqs then do not hesitate to ask us. There are people on the board who know far more about this than I do.

    As for Romraider you can return your car to stock because it loads your cars stock map onto your computer. As far as safer, Cobb tunes run on the rich side because they have to accommodate for the variances in each vehicle. An opensource tune would be made specifically for your car. Plus if you decide to purchase your car you can do more modifications later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRX-ER
    09 AP looks to be around 695.00 retail... but I pulled this from a Cobb blog: "Stage1 for Stock Vehicles. 93 Octane fuel. +16&#37; HP / +21.8% lb. ft." According to my math that's is 42 extra HP. Doesn't the AP give you a wider band of power and more options. (including changing it to fuel efficieny, valet mode etc.) Not to mention you can just flash it back to stock.
    The new APs have a generic stock map to allow the user to flash back to "stock" - with ECUflash, you download your actual stock map.

    Quote Originally Posted by WRX-ER
    I don't know why everyone is stating that the COBB is not worth in unless you have other modifications. From what I read it seems like they are meant to work with stock? Oh... what is Stage I?
    StageI generally refers to a reflashed ECU rom (engine management).

    Quote Originally Posted by WRX-ER
    What is an Opentune exactly? Is it just physical modifcations? Should I expect similar results from an opentune? What kind of power increase can an opentune get you. Why is this better over the long run - it seems worse because you can't get it back to the stock tune?
    Open-source is cheaper (you can buy a cable/laptop for cheaper than Cobb AP, and use the laptop for other things), and offers all the functionality of the Cobb AP. There are free OTS maps available (though, probably not for the '09 yet), so you don't have to pay for a custom tune.

    Quote Originally Posted by WRX-ER
    Let's say that ruining the ECU is a risk. How much does it cost to purchase a new ECU?
    A fried ECU is less of a concern than a blown motor, which can happen from a bad tune.
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    I say do it. It's easy and really 700 is not that expensive in the modding world. Sure opensource is cheaper but it's not as simple of plug and play like the AP is. With opensource you have to know a little bit more about mapping. As for stage I, I had it done on my 06 WRX and loved it. A lot of people say stage I isn't worth it but there are just as many who say it is. Like you said 700 over the next 3 years isn't much and at the end of three years you can still sell it for at least half of what you paid for it.

    To answer your question about ease of use, it's easy. Takes about 10 min to install or uninstall. Simply you get on your back and look under the drivers side dash board. There are two connectors there unpluged. You plug them in, plug the AP into the car, hit install, a few minutes later its done, unplug AP, unplug connectors, enjoy. Thats the basics of it. There are few steps I left out but they are even simpler than the ones I mentioned. I recently got into an accident with my 06 where it ended up being totalled. The next day I went to the body shop where it was being held and in 10 min I had uninstalled it. Great product and stage 1 alone is worth it for the money. Then again I come from a history of modding non-turbo cars so I'm used to paying twice the money for less horsepower gains.

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