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This is a discussion on It hurts to downshift into 1st gear. within the New Member Hangout forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by D0WNxSH1FT Are you sure you dont mean Heel/Toe rev matching? Yeah, I'm curious to know how you ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by D0WNxSH1FT
    Are you sure you dont mean Heel/Toe rev matching?
    Yeah, I'm curious to know how you are able to use double-clutching to help with 'head bobbing' (only good when you are on a date). I'll double-clutch sometimes when going from 2nd to 1st (when too lazy to heel-n-toe), but only cuz my synchros suck when cold.

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    OK Lets just clarify this again to clear up the BS. There is rev matching by clutch-in-shift-rev-clutch-out, then there is clutch-in-shift to N-clutch out-rev-clutch in-shift-clutch out. The latter is called double clutching and doesn't wear your synchros as much as what most folks here are doing which is single clutch rev matching. If you just press and depress the clutch once, all you are doing is spinning the engine, but not the input/lay shafts of the transmission which are dropping once you begin shifting. Feel free to single clutch with modern synchro transmissions, but if you ever aspire to driving a racing transmission, I'd learn to double clutch when rev matching. Heel toe is just applying the brakes while rev matching. If it still doesn't make sense or to see it graphically, buy a book.

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    fenshui is on point
    Just because you don't NEED to double clutch with today's transmissions doesn't mean that it ain't a good idea. In fact it's a great idea and it prolongs the life of your syncros. What's more it allows the 1st gear downsift that the syncros aren't shaped to handle.
    If you want to master the manual transmission you must learn to double clutch properly AND you must learn to heel toe downshift to optimize power and weight transfer while minimizing powertrain loss and wear.

    To downshift into first you should really be double clutching. That's what your syncros are telling you with that grinding noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzman
    You are probably approcahing a stop and slowing down and braking if your downshifting to 1st from a roll. Thus you would use heel toe to rev match.

    Double clutching is for tractor trailers and Fast and Furious fanbois.
    ive gotten into the habit of double clutching when i want to drop down a gear...and i can do it just as fast as single clutching.If a passenger had ear plugs in, and were looking out the side window, they couldnt tell i downshifted...takes a lot off the synchros (given slightly more clutch wear over time maybe), but i recommend it. It is not just f&f and tractor trailors only....chris (fengshui) explained everything perfectly...what i meant by saying double clutching into first is just that...i do it if im rolling slowly and want to put it in first, most of the time the shifter wont fall into place easily unless i double clutch...if im rolling 5 mph and wanted to put it into first, i see no reason to put my foot on the brake (heel-toe), i would just double clutch.
    if you are talking from a race perspective and approaching a turn fast as crap and braking hard...yes, heel toe would be necessary.


    hope that clears some stuff up.

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    I don't have a WRX yet, but I learned to drive in a 49 Chevy pickup. No synchros. I only use a clutch when I'm stopped or when I'm doing a test drive and the salesman is in the car. I rev-match clutchless and it works on most cars and trucks I've driven unless the gear ratios are too far apart. Saves wear and tear on the throw-out bearing and clutch surfaces.

    I haven't tried it with a WRX yet because I don't want to be hard on a car I don't know, so please comment. Is it necessary to use the clutch in a WRX other than from a stop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlon Elliott
    I don't have a WRX yet, but I learned to drive in a 49 Chevy pickup. No synchros. I only use a clutch when I'm stopped or when I'm doing a test drive and the salesman is in the car. I rev-match clutchless and it works on most cars and trucks I've driven unless the gear ratios are too far apart. Saves wear and tear on the throw-out bearing and clutch surfaces.

    I haven't tried it with a WRX yet because I don't want to be hard on a car I don't know, so please comment. Is it necessary to use the clutch in a WRX other than from a stop?
    I would highly reccomend using the clutch, just because the tranny is the weak link in the WRX, and if you do miss a shift, there is a good chance something is gonna break. This is just my opinion tho..
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    i get this burning sensation between my legs when i shift down to 1st, is that normal?!?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMedic
    i get this burning sensation between my legs when i shift down to 1st, is that normal?!?!?!?
    Have you seen your doctor about that??
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMedic
    i get this burning sensation between my legs when i shift down to 1st, is that normal?!?!?!?
    Take your hand away from that!!! That is not the gear shift selector knob. A common noob mistake
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    holy smokes!! i can shift into first now! and this whole time i thought it was the lube! muhahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMedic
    i get this burning sensation between my legs when i shift down to 1st, is that normal?!?!?!?
    I gotten that feeling before too. However, it's usually associated with female anatomy not downshifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by book'em
    I gotten that feeling before too. However, it's usually associated with female anatomy not downshifting.
    wait..I'm confused...so you have "female anatomy" down there????
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