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    That's exactly right: the STi is not competitive. Subaru realised early this century that the Impreza was a van and began simply withdrawing, first their will then their money and their works team.

    The 4dr Impreza remained viable in Group N for a bit but when the 5dr hatch finally was released Subaru were not in a homologation type of mood at all.

    They still aren't.

    I can't fault them. The new rules have made rallye boring. However none of that has fixed the chassis flaws in the Impreza -- not even dropping the Impreza name in favour of WRX or STi alone fixed that.

    Subarus remain competitive in advertisements and -- from what I understand -- video games (though again, if and only if a Citroën doesn't show up, just like in real life.

    They're tremendous road cars though! The STi has been improving in manners for years and the interiors are modern etc. For that I'm impressed.

    Homologated motorsport? Meh.
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    They need to evolve the STI, redesign the engine and drivetrain.
    It has been debated that Subaru has no high end car. With all the competition starting to emerge for the other car manufacturers and their high performance models. Subaru needs to give the STI an overhaul especially the engine. Subaru needs to step up the STIs game to compete more directly with BMW and Audi.
    It has always been an awesome road car. But nowadays it could be so much more. SD_GR said it they have lost there rally edge. All the more Reason to turn it into a S4- Bimmer eater. With it's rising price tag they need more to show, other than being the step up from the WRX. LETS HEAR SOME MORE OPINIONS!!
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    I don't disagree. I like the thinking behind the new smaller 2,0L WRX engine with it's lower fuel consumption and modern management and fueling.

    My criticisms of the current STi aside, and ignoring the high price also, I'd buy one before buying any German car available in the US.

    If only the STi had an Audi or BMW interior. A Subaru car like that, built by Honda, would be perfect.
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    If the sti's had the build quality of the German cars...wouldn't that make it a Saab? Oh wait...lol.




    Couldn't agree more SD hahahah. Subie WRX special build from Mugen. Just like the old Motion Performance Chevy Vega's no?. Order them up bone stock and push them over to a authorised mod shop. Tune with warenty and upgraded interior. Aaand the WRX just hit 50,000 dollars sigh.
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    Saab sold WRXs under their badge yes and those cars had nicer steering components and wheels than the Subaru WRXs. They were immensely better than the other Saab re-badge that comes to mind, the Lancia Delta.

    An STi with 35+ MPG, a German interior, and Honda build quality would need no tuning for me. It'd be perfect. Maybe add fender flares. And a pizza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    Saab sold WRXs under their badge yes and those cars had nicer steering components and wheels than the Subaru WRXs. They were immensely better than the other Saab re-badge that comes to mind, the Lancia Delta.

    An STi with 35+ MPG, a German interior, and Honda build quality would need no tuning for me. It'd be perfect. Maybe add fender flares. And a pizza.

    And a cold refrigerated glove box. For the beer!
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    If the STi is carried forward, it won't be with a 2.5L engine. Subaru will design the current FA20 (which is very potent) to meet the requirements of the industry. Think FA20 with compression dropped to 9.5:1.
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    I'd like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    I'd like that.
    Me as well. Unfortunately, Subaru didn't develop the car within the timeframe suitable for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Me as well. Unfortunately, Subaru didn't develop the car within the timeframe suitable for me...
    That's why I'm still waiting to get new body style. When they re work the engine, I'll buy one after first year of redesign. I'm always a little leery of no body styles and re designs. I want to buy an STI new, down the road after I'm done with my 2013 WRX, IT ONLY HAS 6,550 miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TownLine500 View Post
    That's why I'm still waiting to get new body style. When they re work the engine, I'll buy one after first year of redesign. I'm always a little leery of no body styles and re designs. I want to buy an STI new, down the road after I'm done with my 2013 WRX, IT ONLY HAS 6,550 miles.
    I'm not convinced there will be a continuation of the STi.

    It's not a revenue bearer, which is the reason for the WRX receiving the complete redesign. The WRX and STi only account for about 3-5% of Subaru sales, and the WRX outsells the STi 4:1. You're looking at (optimistically), the STi accounting for a little more than 1% of Subaru's sales, and that's WITH flagship pricing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    I'm not convinced there will be a continuation of the STi.

    It's not a revenue bearer, which is the reason for the WRX receiving the complete redesign. The WRX and STi only account for about 3-5% of Subaru sales, and the WRX outsells the STi 4:1. You're looking at (optimistically), the STi accounting for a little more than 1% of Subaru's sales, and that's WITH flagship pricing.
    You have a very valid point. But if they redesigned engine and made inside to gear more toward luxury cars. Then they could compete with the Germans. It needs to be re marketed as a more upscale model. (It's working for the Hyundai genesis and Kia optima) just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TownLine500 View Post
    You have a very valid point. But if they redesigned engine and made inside to gear more toward luxury cars. Then they could compete with the Germans. It needs to be re marketed as a more upscale model. (It's working for the Hyundai genesis and Kia optima) just my 2 cents.

    I honestly think that is the direction Subaru intends to head. For this reason, I am worried. Case-in-point: Saab 9-3 TurboX
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    The Saabaru was better in many ways than the Subaru WRX wagons (steering, wheels, interior). By the time it came out Saab had completely lost the plot, at least in the US. When your company is struggling to sell cars why not return my emails or use the telephone?...

    Anyway: the ideal STi motor at this point would be a 350HP, 35MPG 1,6L unit. Although displacement doesn't matter in the US, in other parts of the world 2,0L is simply too big -- it's too expensive to buy and overtaxed so it's also too expensive to own.

    The interior could be something like this one, my fav, from a Maserati Quattroporte of yesteryear:
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    Have Honda assemble the whole thing in the USA somewhere, and voila!

    More realistically even a 2,0L 350HP/35MPG FA-based engine would be brillaint too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    I'm not convinced there will be a continuation of the STi.

    It's not a revenue bearer, which is the reason for the WRX receiving the complete redesign. The WRX and STi only account for about 3-5% of Subaru sales, and the WRX outsells the STi 4:1. You're looking at (optimistically), the STi accounting for a little more than 1% of Subaru's sales, and that's WITH flagship pricing.
    I tend to agree. I asked my salesguy, if he knows anything, a month ago if Subaru was gonna put the 2.0 in the STi in the future and he said no. Basically the costs and all that. I think the WRX is a good sporty name that Subaru has and they could just keep that around and drop the STi from production. But make things like the big tail options or something. The diff and SI drive aren't really necessary for the street and same goes for the brakes. People who are serious racers can buy aftermarket upgrades.

    Anyways I would be ok with Subaru using the WRX motor with the same exact power in the STi but make the STi have everything that is in it now. Therefore no need to spend money getting more power out of the the WRX motor or anything. But I know everyone want a huge power upgrade.
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