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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    I'm talking about the 2.5 to 2.0 displacement difference having an effect on the low end power, power from a stop.

    And yes, a normal "manual transmission" start from a stop feels similar between a WRX and Impreza, unless you're doing a revved up clutch drop. It's not like the WRX is a 3.6L V6 which has lots of power idle. Do you understand the concept of how the power curve of a turbo engine works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    I'm talking about the 2.5 to 2.0 displacement difference having an effect on the low end power, power from a stop.

    And yes, a normal "manual transmission" start from a stop feels similar between a WRX and Impreza, unless you're doing a revved up clutch drop. It's not like the WRX is a 3.6L V6 which has lots of power idle. Do you understand the concept of how the power curve of a turbo engine works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    I'm talking about the 2.5 to 2.0 displacement difference having an effect on the low end power, power from a stop.

    And yes, a normal "manual transmission" start from a stop feels similar between a WRX and Impreza, unless you're doing a revved up clutch drop. It's not like the WRX is a 3.6L V6 which has lots of power idle. Do you understand the concept of how the power curve of a turbo engine works?
    No, I have no clue what so ever how a car works. What's an engine anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiftingLanes View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911
    If they go with a 2.0 instead of 2.5 does that mean it's going to be slower off the line? I can't stand how much less power the 2013 Impreza has than the 2012. I test drove a 2011 Impreza with a 2.5 and it gets going very easily with little clutch manipulation. I ended up getting the 2013 2.0 Impreza because I like the look, but it's quite slow to start off and you really gotta be slow with the clutch or let the engine rev. I'm planning to get a WRX when the new re-design comes out.

    I also test drove a 2011 WRX and it had about the same power as the 2011 Impreza from a stop (without revving of course).

    I just worry that a 2.0 WRX will have crap power from a stop which I can't stand. (But of course plenty of power at higher rpms).
    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911
    I'm talking about the 2.5 to 2.0 displacement difference having an effect on the low end power, power from a stop.

    And yes, a normal "manual transmission" start from a stop feels similar between a WRX and Impreza, unless you're doing a revved up clutch drop. It's not like the WRX is a 3.6L V6 which has lots of power idle. Do you understand the concept of how the power curve of a turbo engine works?
    In reference to the bolded section: you're new here, but my advice is to leave your attitude at the door. Your attempt to be wise/funny/belittling, can actually be turned around on you.

    In response to your question/concern, engine displacement is only part of the picture...

    HINT: Why is a 2.1L EJ205 stroker build much more responsive than a EJ205 2.0L build when it's only marginally more engine displacement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    It's not like the WRX is a 3.6L V6 which has lots of power idle.
    I can't wait to trade in my WRX for an Accord V6 and smoke a WRX off the line.

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    You're right, I had a harsh reply to the apparent dismissal of my question.

    But I think it's a valid concern that a lower displacement could cause less low end power. Yes I know there are lots of other factors, but I was trying to specifically discuss potential negatives to the move from 2.5 to 2.0.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    In reference to the bolded section: you're new here, but my advice is to leave your attitude at the door.

    In response to your question/concern, engine displacement is only part of the picture...

    HINT: Why is a 2.1L EJ205 stroker build much more responsive than a EJ205 2.0L build when it's only marginally more engine displacement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911
    But I think it's a valid concern that a lower displacement could cause less low end power. Yes I know there are lots of other factors, but I was trying to specifically discuss potential negatives to the move from 2.5 to 2.0.
    Again, displacement is only part of the equation...

    You're neglecting crucial things like rod/stroke ratio, compression ratio, etc. which all will have an effect on the powerband. You're blowing your load before she takes it out of your pants.
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    Yes I specifically acknowledged that there are other factors, I know that.

    But you can't assume Subaru will tweak everything else to make up for a lower displacement. There is a real possibility of a loss of low end power, don't you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    Again, displacement is only part of the equation...

    You're neglecting crucial things like rod/stroke ratio, compression ratio, etc. which all will have an effect on the powerband. You're blowing your load before she takes it out of your pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911
    But you can't assume Subaru will tweak everything else to make up for a lower displacement. There is a real possibility of a loss of low end power, don't you think?
    And you can't assume that they won't...

    Absolutely, it's possible that Subaru will design the car to be a more rev-happy motor, in which power delivery is shifted right in the RPM range, but they could also try to keep it closer to where it is now, with less displacement.

    Without knowing specifics, there is no way to tell. I don't really follow the "latest news" that comes out, so I may not be aware of specs, but until they are released, speculation is futile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelwfox View Post
    If they use the 2.0 hopefully it will be similar to the 2014+ FXT's, which are supposed to be pretty awesome.



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    This whole thread is all about speculating, since there's no real news.

    But I guess there's nothing more to think about with the 2.0 rumor.

    I just hope the concept doesn't in fact show the direction Subaru is going in. I don't want a lower to the ground, less rugged, less offroad, wider, bulkier WRX. If they want to make a car like that, fine, but don't call it a WRX. They already have the BRZ for their non rugged/offroad sports car.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJ257 View Post
    And you can't assume that they won't...

    Absolutely, it's possible that Subaru will design the car to be a more rev-happy motor, in which power delivery is shifted right in the RPM range, but they could also try to keep it closer to where it is now, with less displacement.

    Without knowing specifics, there is no way to tell. I don't really follow the "latest news" that comes out, so I may not be aware of specs, but until they are released, speculation is futile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    This whole thread is all about speculating, since there's no real news.

    But I guess there's nothing more to think about with the 2.0 rumor.

    I just hope the concept doesn't in fact show the direction Subaru is going in. I don't want a lower to the ground, less rugged, less offroad, wider, bulkier WRX. If they want to make a car like that, fine, but don't call it a WRX. They already have the BRZ for their non rugged/offroad sports car.
    Agreed.. Which is why I am not waiting for the new model. I'm sure if Subaru keeps going how they have been. It will just get bigger and less of a wrx. So I am hoping on a new one before it gets any less of a WRX. Not saying that I wouldn't mind a little extra in the interior though. I would most definitely choose a MS3 or ST if I was looking at just interior, but I have always been in love with Subaru and don't think I will be able to go with anything else.

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    Uh oh... A Prototype of New 2015 Subaru WRX Might Have Appeared on Japanese TV


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