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    First 2015 spotted in the wild, next to a BRZ. I can't stress enough how terrible this car looks in white. So far that is my only complaint about the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelwfox View Post
    First 2015 spotted in the wild, next to a BRZ. I can't stress enough how terrible this car looks in white. So far that is my only complaint about the car.
    All I keep thinking is, "dang the BRZ is a good looking car."


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    I went back to LA to see the car before the show ended this. Twice, I looked at it and also spoke with spokesperson/rep for Subaru. I told her I gave her my comment good and mostly bad. She appreciated my comments and we spoke for 10 min. She definitely. did not comment anything negative however did mention that it was for sales and to open the market up for more drivers. (Something we all knew). I applaud her honesty as she did mine. I still dont like the car yet I tried to ask and sneak my STI questions in. However she told me that Subaru is extremely tight lipped. So I failed getting some answers. Oh the joy till Detroit next yr.

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    What really matters: Numbers! Summary, the new WRX should be a lot closer to the STI than before.

    WRX 2002 / wrx 2013 / wrx 2015 / 2013 STI

    power 227 / 265 / 268 / 305

    spring rate front (pounds/inch) 163 / 216 / 300 / 250

    spring rate rear 132 / 209 / 338 / 297

    brake disk diameter, inches, front 11.4 / 11.6 / 12.4 / 13.0

    brake disk diameter, inches, rear 10.3 / 11.3 / 11.3 (?) / 12.6

    transmission, speeds 5/ 5 / 6 / 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yargk View Post
    What really matters: Numbers! Summary, the new WRX should be a lot closer to the STI than before.
    There are three types of people buying WRX's instead of STI's - those who can't afford an STI, those who want the base platform to tune and those who don't want an STI. I fall into the last category - I almost bought a used STI earlier in the year but decided it was a little too harsh and loud for my 4 year old and future newborn. I hope the stiff springer rates find a middle ground between the softer outgoing model and the STI, and I also hope the 6 speed adds a cruising gear more than becoming a close ratio STI copy. Judging by the less aggressive design I have hope that Subaru are making the WRX for people like me - i.e. don't really want to jump into a mid-luxury automatic, but still want to combine family with fun and stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Logics View Post
    There are three types of people buying WRX's instead of STI's - those who can't afford an STI, those who want the base platform to tune and those who don't want an STI. I fall into the last category - I almost bought a used STI earlier in the year but decided it was a little too harsh and loud for my 4 year old and future newborn. I hope the stiff springer rates find a middle ground between the softer outgoing model and the STI, and I also hope the 6 speed adds a cruising gear more than becoming a close ratio STI copy. Judging by the less aggressive design I have hope that Subaru are making the WRX for people like me - i.e. don't really want to jump into a mid-luxury automatic, but still want to combine family with fun and stupidity.
    I wouldn't worry too much. In general, performance cars have been expanding their entire performance envelope, including refinement. Good suspension design and well matched dampers can calm stiff springs while retaining great handling. The new WRX certainly does seem more refined despite better "hard-core" performance numbers.
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    I don't like that pic in white. It looks like a mid 2000s Maxima from the rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yargk View Post
    What really matters: Numbers! Summary, the new WRX should be a lot closer to the STI than before.

    WRX 2002 / wrx 2013 / wrx 2015 / 2013 STI

    power 227 / 265 / 268 / 305

    spring rate front (pounds/inch) 163 / 216 / 300 / 250

    spring rate rear 132 / 209 / 338 / 297

    brake disk diameter, inches, front 11.4 / 11.6 / 12.4 / 13.0

    brake disk diameter, inches, rear 10.3 / 11.3 / 11.3 (?) / 12.6

    transmission, speeds 5/ 5 / 6 / 6
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13 View Post
    Holy stiffer springs batman.
    Thats because he forgot to put the curb weights on there. More weight needs more spring and brakes.

    It would look like:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yargk View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much. In general, performance cars have been expanding their entire performance envelope, including refinement. Good suspension design and well matched dampers can calm stiff springs while retaining great handling. The new WRX certainly does seem more refined despite better "hard-core" performance numbers.
    This is what I am hoping for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06wrx4me View Post
    Thats because he forgot to put the curb weights on there. More weight needs more spring and brakes.

    It would look like:

    3050/3250/3300/3384
    Yes, but, simple arithmetic shows there is a lot more brake and spring than there are additional pounds.

    2012 WRX weight = 3208
    2015 = 3267

    This is a 1.8% increase in weight, but we get a 41% increase in spring rate and at least a 10% increase in brake area. I wish the WRX was 3000 pounds, but this is definitely a huge net positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yargk View Post
    What really matters: Numbers! Summary, the new WRX should be a lot closer to the STI than before.

    WRX 2002 / wrx 2013 / wrx 2015 / 2013 STI

    power 227 / 265 / 268 / 305

    spring rate front (pounds/inch) 163 / 216 / 300 / 250

    spring rate rear 132 / 209 / 338 / 297

    brake disk diameter, inches, front 11.4 / 11.6 / 12.4 / 13.0

    brake disk diameter, inches, rear 10.3 / 11.3 / 11.3 (?) / 12.6

    transmission, speeds 5/ 5 / 6 / 6
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13 View Post
    Holy stiffer springs batman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yargk View Post
    Yes, but, simple arithmetic shows there is a lot more brake and spring than there are additional pounds.

    2012 WRX weight = 3208
    2015 = 3267

    This is a 1.8% increase in weight, but we get a 41% increase in spring rate and at least a 10% increase in brake area. I wish the WRX was 3000 pounds, but this is definitely a huge net positive.
    Be careful when simplifying things with simple arithmetic. While the spring rates have increased, it is completely likely that the suspension is all new for 2015 with completely different geometry, pickup points and motion ratios. While the spring rate of the actual spring may have increased, without the suspension geometry and Motion Ratio, it is inherently useless, because without those items, you cannot calculate the cars "effective spring rate" and make an apples to apples comparison with the 2010-2014 or even the 2002-2007 for that matter.

    The brake increase is likely due simply to weight.

    Your comparison above would only be a valid apples to apples if you were analyzing the stats from 1 generation of cars that shared a common chassis. But you are spanning 3 generations with 3 different chassis, so the data is inherently useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06wrx4me View Post
    Be careful when simplifying things with simple arithmetic. While the spring rates have increased, it is completely likely that the suspension is all new for 2015 with completely different geometry, pickup points and motion ratios. While the spring rate of the actual spring may have increased, without the suspension geometry and Motion Ratio, it is inherently useless, because without those items, you cannot calculate the cars "effective spring rate" and make an apples to apples comparison with the 2010-2014 or even the 2002-2007 for that matter.

    The brake increase is likely due simply to weight.

    Your comparison above would only be a valid apples to apples if you were analyzing the stats from 1 generation of cars that shared a common chassis. But you are spanning 3 generations with 3 different chassis, so the data is inherently useless.
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