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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13 View Post
    That's only because the 5 spd actually has better ratios/taller gears compared to the current 6spd. If they literally keep the same gear ratios of the 5spd, and add a gear, meaning you can cruise in 6th while only around 2000-2200 rpms around 70-75mph, THEN it would be well worth it.
    This. Seems to be a big difference in fuel economy between cruising at 2k rpms compared to 3k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13 View Post
    That's only because the 5 spd actually has better ratios/taller gears compared to the current 6spd. If they literally keep the same gear ratios of the 5spd, and add a gear, meaning you can cruise in 6th while only around 2000-2200 rpms around 70-75mph, THEN it would be well worth it.
    Actually most of them cite less shifting around town as the main reason... a couple talking about better gearing for AutoX as well.

    On a side note... 2200k rpms at 75mph? Wow... my 2.0L cruises at around 3400 or so at that speed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk_Knight View Post
    Actually most of them cite less shifting around town as the main reason... a couple talking about better gearing for AutoX as well.

    On a side note... 2200k rpms at 75mph? Wow... my 2.0L cruises at around 3400 or so at that speed...
    Wow what 2.0L are you running? A 2L engine should not be revving at 3400 RPMs at 75mph. Maybe in 4th gear, yea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiftingLanes View Post
    Wow what 2.0L are you running? A 2L engine should not be revving at 3400 RPMs at 75mph. Maybe in 4th gear, yea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk_Knight View Post
    Actually most of them cite less shifting around town as the main reason... a couple talking about better gearing for AutoX as well.

    On a side note... 2200k rpms at 75mph? Wow... my 2.0L cruises at around 3400 or so at that speed...
    Hypothetically a proper 6th gear could do that. The current 6spds are pegged about 3100 at 80mph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk_Knight View Post
    I dunno. I know a LOT of people who really prefer the 5mt... including enthusiasts. I personally would love a 6 speed... but I've been finding more and more people lately who are considering or have already gotten a WRX over an STi because they'd prefer the 5 speed for a DD.
    I love the gear ratio in the 5-speed. its very good for performance no doubt. But, honestly sometimes while im cruising at slightly above normal speeds i look for that 6th gear and its not there. Subaru has there minds made up about the car but, a nice feature would be a transmission option in the WRX, not STi. A refreshed and better designed/built 5-speed would be nice as well as having the option to upgrade to a 6-speed at an extra cost. Subaru has changed alot, I remember when auto's were still an optional "upgrade" to the standard 5-spd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubiesaurusWRX View Post
    I love the gear ratio in the 5-speed. its very good for performance no doubt. But, honestly sometimes while im cruising at slightly above normal speeds i look for that 6th gear and its not there. Subaru has there minds made up about the car but, a nice feature would be a transmission option in the WRX, not STi. A refreshed and better designed/built 5-speed would be nice as well as having the option to upgrade to a 6-speed at an extra cost. Subaru has changed alot, I remember when auto's were still an optional "upgrade" to the standard 5-spd.
    Agreed on having a higher ratio over the current 5th gear in the WRX and 6th in the STI. I see the new corvette and 911 have 7 speed manual's. But since they are supposedly going to sedan only on the new WRX, makes it a non-starter for me. Going to have to keep my car for a while. Come on Subaru!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk_Knight View Post
    On a side note... 2200k rpms at 75mph? Wow... my 2.0L cruises at around 3400 or so at that speed...
    I know them feels. My old 2.0 2007 Tiburon had a 5 speed manual, and cruising on the highway drove me crazy! In 5th gear, you were at 3k rpm at just under 65 mph.....It wasn't the worlds most refined engine either (Hyundai had been using some iteration of that same Beta 2.0 since 2001) so highway cruises were loud without the radio...made the car feel so cheap (well, it was cheap lol).
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    If they go with a 2.0 instead of 2.5 does that mean it's going to be slower off the line? I can't stand how much less power the 2013 Impreza has than the 2012. I test drove a 2011 Impreza with a 2.5 and it gets going very easily with little clutch manipulation. I ended up getting the 2013 2.0 Impreza because I like the look, but it's quite slow to start off and you really gotta be slow with the clutch or let the engine rev. I'm planning to get a WRX when the new re-design comes out.

    I also test drove a 2011 WRX and it had about the same power as the 2011 Impreza from a stop (without revving of course).

    I just worry that a 2.0 WRX will have crap power from a stop which I can't stand. (But of course plenty of power at higher rpms).

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelwfox View Post
    So to feed the fire a little bit I would like to talk about powertrain choice.

    If Subaru uses the tired old 2.5 that's been used since 2009 I will freak out! I realize we haven't heard anything but, I feel like they will. I would like to see some innovation put into the 2015 cars and using the same motor reeks of complacency.

    Hopefully will will see or hear something from the LA Auto Show in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    If they go with a 2.0 instead of 2.5 does that mean it's going to be slower off the line? I can't stand how much less power the 2013 Impreza has than the 2012. I test drove a 2011 Impreza with a 2.5 and it gets going very easily with little clutch manipulation. I ended up getting the 2013 2.0 Impreza because I like the look, but it's quite slow to start off and you really gotta be slow with the clutch or let the engine rev. I'm planning to get a WRX when the new re-design comes out.

    I also test drove a 2011 WRX and it had about the same power as the 2011 Impreza from a stop (without revving of course).

    I just worry that a 2.0 WRX will have crap power from a stop which I can't stand. (But of course plenty of power at higher rpms).
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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    If they go with a 2.0 instead of 2.5 does that mean it's going to be slower off the line? I can't stand how much less power the 2013 Impreza has than the 2012. I test drove a 2011 Impreza with a 2.5 and it gets going very easily with little clutch manipulation. I ended up getting the 2013 2.0 Impreza because I like the look, but it's quite slow to start off and you really gotta be slow with the clutch or let the engine rev. I'm planning to get a WRX when the new re-design comes out.

    I also test drove a 2011 WRX and it had about the same power as the 2011 Impreza from a stop (without revving of course).

    I just worry that a 2.0 WRX will have crap power from a stop which I can't stand. (But of course plenty of power at higher rpms).
    If they use the 2.0 hopefully it will be similar to the 2014+ FXT's, which are supposed to be pretty awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post
    If they go with a 2.0 instead of 2.5 does that mean it's going to be slower off the line? I can't stand how much less power the 2013 Impreza has than the 2012. I test drove a 2011 Impreza with a 2.5 and it gets going very easily with little clutch manipulation. I ended up getting the 2013 2.0 Impreza because I like the look, but it's quite slow to start off and you really gotta be slow with the clutch or let the engine rev. I'm planning to get a WRX when the new re-design comes out.

    I also test drove a 2011 WRX and it had about the same power as the 2011 Impreza from a stop (without revving of course).

    I just worry that a 2.0 WRX will have crap power from a stop which I can't stand. (But of course plenty of power at higher rpms).
    If you're talking about the NA 2.0L...what the heck do you expect???

    And no...an Impreza doesn't have about the same power as a WRX.
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    I'm talking about the 2.5 to 2.0 displacement difference having an effect on the low end power, power from a stop.

    And yes, a normal "manual transmission" start from a stop feels similar between a WRX and Impreza, unless you're doing a revved up clutch drop. It's not like the WRX is a 3.6L V6 which has lots of power idle. Do you understand the concept of how the power curve of a turbo engine works?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie13 View Post
    If you're talking about the NA 2.0L...what the heck do you expect???

    And no...an Impreza doesn't have about the same power as a WRX.

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