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This is a discussion on 2014 Subaru Forester XT... is the the next WRX motor? within the New Cars/Prototypes Forums forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by 11blackSTi Fact - there will be a new WRX/STI Fact - there will be a lot of ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11blackSTi View Post
    Fact - there will be a new WRX/STI

    Fact - there will be a lot of people that like it, and a lot of people that will have plenty of complaints about it

    Also, I am going to still be driving my current car for a long time, regardless of what the new gen looks like/has for an engine
    Fact - I'll be able to complain about "those 4th gen whippersnappers...they never wave!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post
    Fact - I'll be able to complain about "those 4th gen whippersnappers...they never wave!!"
    Those darn kids need to learn to respect their elders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post
    Fact - I'll be able to complain about "those 4th gen whippersnappers...they never wave!!"
    Lol, so true.
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    I rented an Altima with CVT when I was in Missouri, a few weeks ago. Accelerating in it had a definite "motorboat" effect...I wasn't a fan. It's mostly on me, I suppose..just not a fan of anything that doesn't have a clutch pedal. The car did seem to get stellar mpgs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    I rented an Altima with CVT when I was in Missouri, a few weeks ago. Accelerating in it had a definite "motorboat" effect...I wasn't a fan. It's mostly on me, I suppose..just not a fan of anything that doesn't have a clutch pedal. The car did seem to get stellar mpgs...
    Does that have a manual shift ability? All car CVT's I've driven have that rubber band effect, although I don't notice it on small engines (ATVs, scooters, and the like). The manual shift removes this lag, although it's still a very different experience than a true manual.

    I like true manuals too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
    Does that have a manual shift ability? All car CVT's I've driven have that rubber band effect, although I don't notice it on small engines (ATVs, scooters, and the like). The manual shift removes this lag, although it's still a very different experience than a true manual.

    I like true manuals too.
    The dissappeance of true manuals is a true tragedy in my opinion.

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    It did have a manual shift option on the "shift knob", IIRC. I tried it, but it wasn't very responsive. It was more of a "shift suggestion" mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11blackSTi View Post
    Fact - there will be a new WRX/STI
    I'm not sure I agree with your fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with your fact.
    Eventually there will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11blackSTi View Post
    Eventually there will be
    Not if Subaru nixes the STi line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    Not if Subaru nixes the STi line.
    Ah I see what you were implying...Good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    it wasn't very responsive. It was more of a "shift suggestion" mode.
    That's exactly how my brother and I describe the manual shift mode on the Volvo my parents have. Between that and the throttle response, they are so awkward and unresponsive I don't know how it ever got through development testing. And that thing doesn't even have a cvt.

    I know the cvt has its advantages and could probably be set up to actually improve acceleration in a turbo car, but to me it just feels weird accelerating at a constant engine tone. I enjoy the change in engine and exhaust sounds as the revs rise. To me that has a strong bearing over the sense of speed.

    As far as the next wrx/sti possibly coming with less power, the new standard Impreza has less power than before and it's selling quite well. I think that it really just boils down to if a car is good, people will buy it. If it's not, they won't. With a new car there will always be improvements of some kind that the sales/marketing team can work with, even if it does have less power than before.
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    That's an interesting point about the tuning/octane Ray.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post

    Exactly. Horsepower numbers are what is used in marketing. You almost never see ads talking about torque (except the occasional truck ad) and definitely not area under the curve. You do always see people, even on internet forums which are only a portion of the car buying population, who are obsessed with peak HP ratings. Think of all the arguments over the BRZ.
    That and 0-60, which explains the stupid gearing on the 1-2 on my bugeye.


    Since we're admittedly guessing at stuff, I'll take the odds on 275 hp. It just sounds nice, like just enough more to make people talk about it positively even though the car will be heavier and slower (I've got nothing on that but it just seems predictable). If they actually made it lighter in the front and improved the balance with stepping back to the 2.0l that would be far preferable to some unnoticeable HP bump. Now if they could actually move the engine back behind the front wheels that would be dreamy.
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    For what it's worth, the 2L with DI seems to pick up power with boost better than the old 2.5L. They recently tuned a boosted FRS here that was built to lower compression (around 9:1 I believe) and has a similarly sized turbo to the current VF line up. It made 322hp/259tq at 13 psi on 93 oct, which is a little less torque, but considerably more whp than a stage two 3rd gen STi would make on the same dyno (at 18psi).

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    Interesting.
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