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    Sorry if this is a double post.... check in a few sections before posting..

    Did anyone see this yet?!?!?!


    http://youtu.be/FUPCwolLrsY

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    pretty cool... lmao at a comment under the video:

    "so there is room for a V8, but not a turbo?"
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    I'm all about stuffing a good v8 into anything rwd.. but .. I think with this car it defeats the purpose of having the boxer engine so low in the chassis.

    There's room for a turbo.. I've seen it in person... the question is, does the oem have that intent or not?
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    Less than I thought. I do find it odd they priced it that close to the WRX though. Sales numbers for the first two years will be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrettKoonsman View Post
    Starting price of $25,495 announced today
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    Less than I thought.
    For that price, it's in my view the most interesting $19,000 car in the world.
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    $25.5k to go 0-60 in 7.3 seconds when you could get the stock WRX for LESS *AND* have AWD for winter sports? I'll pass. Let me know when the 2 year agreement to not modify the engine is up and they put a turbo on. I'm betting the stock turbo will be nearly 300 and the STi version will be 350+. At that range, the car should be a low-end Porsche killer. As it is now, it's a sheep in wolves clothing. Ok, so the sheep can corner. That won't stop the wolf from catching it on the straight away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnumXL View Post
    $25.5k to go 0-60 in 7.3 seconds when you could get the stock WRX for LESS *AND* have AWD for winter sports? I'll pass. Let me know when the 2 year agreement to not modify the engine is up and they put a turbo on. I'm betting the stock turbo will be nearly 300 and the STi version will be 350+. At that range, the car should be a low-end Porsche killer. As it is now, it's a sheep in wolves clothing. Ok, so the sheep can corner. That won't stop the wolf from catching it on the straight away.
    I bet that 200hp would ruin your car on a track
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrettKoonsman View Post
    I bet that 200hp would ruin your car on a track
    Agreed. Again, I don't find this weird at all that they priced it near the WRX. Since it is a very very different car. I don't think that the people on internet forums who are looking to buy a car simply based on performance numbers are in the majority of potential buyers. To the majority the BRZ is a totally different car from the WRX, and meant to serve a different purpose.

    Let's face it, the WRX is a wonderful car if you want performance plus everyday liveability. The BRZ, despite "poor" acceleration numbers, is a true sports car that in all likelihood is going to be not just faster but more enjoyable in a race situation than the WRX, unless that race is a drag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnumXL View Post
    $25.5k to go 0-60 in 7.3 seconds when you could get the stock WRX for LESS *AND* have AWD for winter sports? I'll pass. Let me know when the 2 year agreement to not modify the engine is up and they put a turbo on. I'm betting the stock turbo will be nearly 300 and the STi version will be 350+. At that range, the car should be a low-end Porsche killer. As it is now, it's a sheep in wolves clothing. Ok, so the sheep can corner. That won't stop the wolf from catching it on the straight away.
    Uh huh. So now you're a wolf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrettKoonsman View Post
    I bet that 200hp would ruin your car on a track
    I guess we'll never know since I don't track my WRX. It's for daily driving. Seriously, I don't know why some of you are getting all bent out of shape over an opinion. There's one less person waiting in line to buy the car. I simply had enough of 15 second cars when I sold my '93 Probe GT, which is almost exactly the same straight-line speed to 1/10 a second as this car to 60 3/10 in the quarter mile. No amount of "fun" cornering is going to change that aspect for me. It's also a poor winter car for the Northern states due to RWD. Thus, it's just not for me.

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    Uh huh. So now you're a wolf?
    I wasn't talking about myself or specific drivers, but cars that might not corner as well but have a lot of power (e.g. A V6 2011/12 Mustang costs less and has considerably more power and better braking. The base WRX also has a lot more power and costs $2k less and has AWD). That cornering "fun" factor must be really high with you guys. Either that or you're sold on eye candy. Either way, I'm simply not impressed. I don't care for push button start either. It's just another fad/gimmick from yesteryear that gives you less control (remember to hold that button in for 3 seconds if you need to cut power in an emergency situation; I'll just turn my key instantly). MAYBE when this thing gets a turbo in two years, I'll have more interest if they can keep the price down. Otherwise, I doubt it.
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    I'm not getting bent out of shape about people's opinions about the straight line speed, I'm more interested in challenging the thinking that this and the WRX are directly comparable, i.e. they'll be stealing sales from each other.

    And I'm not really getting bent out of shape anyways, just stating my thoughts as well, sorry if it seemed like I was.
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    If you live in an environment where there isn't much snow and rain, ie Texas, both of these cars become very comparable. They become even more comparable when you consider living in the city looking for a daily driver and you have to go out of your way to really find the twisties. The only thing that would really make my decision harder is that I rather dislike the look of the current WRX and the BRZ looks are appealing to me. I think I'll wait this one out for a price drop or the hot rod version they plan on building. I mean I do think I'm like a lot of people who would like a nice balance of power and handling and not just be biased towards handling. Sure theres a 'fun' factor in a slow, but good handling car... but that only comes into play when you're actually tossing it around like crazy. Now one could say vice versa for a Camaro, but I still think theres plenty of room for light way compacts that pack more punch and at the right price (20-24k).
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    We shall have to agree to disagree. I don't think that a small two seater rwd coupe and a four door souped up awd economy car occupy the same segment in the market, as some have claimed. For some people they may be in a position to legitimately consider either, as you appear to be, but I personally think that for the average buyer, these are two very different cars.

    Believe me, I wish I would have been able to consider a car like the brz, but there are practical reasons why i chose the wrx as my fun daily driver, and anecdotally I think I'm in the same boat as a lot of other buyers.

    If I were you, I'd choose the brz even if they don't add power, cause you always can! And I think it is more of a true sports car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvinball View Post
    We shall have to agree to disagree. I don't think that a small two seater rwd coupe and a four door souped up awd economy car occupy the same segment in the market, as some have claimed. For some people they may be in a position to legitimately consider either, as you appear to be, but I personally think that for the average buyer, these are two very different cars.
    I gave my reasons why they can both occupy the same segment and I hardly consider the WRX an economy car.

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    If I were you, I'd choose the brz even if they don't add power, cause you always can! And I think it is more of a true sports car.
    I always can? No, not really and I don't see the validity in such a statement as either car can have power added. Tuning isn't in my interest or budget and neither is voiding my warranty. I want a car I can be happy with out of the gate.
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