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    i know i just prefer boost

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    Don't get me wrong, I love it too. But there is good reason people prefer N/A
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    The NA motor of equal power will be a larger and heavier engine though. Fuel efficiency will likely be less as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clt-wrx View Post
    you make a valid point all i could say to that is if i was purchasing a car in 2012/2013 i dont know which i would choose between the wrx or a turbocharged brz where as the above mentioned cars (though nice) are not on my radar.
    Unfortunately, they're not on my radar, either.
    I wouldn't have problems choosing between those two cars, though...one is a 2 door sports car, one is a much more practical sedan. I still need a semi-practical car for another 3'ish years. (1st rugrat will have her driver's license)
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    That naturally aspirated engine that beats the turbo one could have a supercharger added to it as well and produce MORE power (and thus overcome its weight penalties). In other words, in any given comparison the natural aspirated engine is begging for its own turbo (assuming it can handle the extra power).
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    But there is still merit to both sides. The 3.5l six that is making awesome torque below 2k RPM and even more at the top is a different experience than the 2.0l boosted when it is lagging or running out of top or both. It really depends on the application. This car needs a turbo whereas 3500 lb. car I'd rather have the extra 1.5l.
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    Linear power delivery will make the car far more predictable, and easier to drive near its limits. I love me some snails, but a smooth, strong NA is a joy to drive fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by mycologist View Post
    But there is still merit to both sides. The 3.5l six that is making awesome torque below 2k RPM and even more at the top is a different experience than the 2.0l boosted when it is lagging or running out of top or both. It really depends on the application. This car needs a turbo whereas 3500 lb. car I'd rather have the extra 1.5l.
    That's a good point, John. There is a point in the weight spectrum where the bigger NA engine starts to make real sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mangostick View Post
    Dont know your mazda's that well do you? The miata has already come from the factory with a turbo.

    http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/..._specs_MSM.pdf
    Forgot about the speed miata, although they don't make it anymore. I was making a point with the current Mazda lineup; in my mind comparing the BRZ to the WRX makes as much (or as little) sense as comparing the Mazdaspeed 3 to the Miata.

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    Now for those of you pipe dreaming awd ... that is NOT going to happen in this chassis. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    Honestly, if I saw that car on the side of the road, I'd probably dial 911 and report that they've been in some kind of accident.



    This. If they see a demand for it, and potential to make a profit, then by all means, put a snail in there. I'd like to see the enthusiast side of Subaru continue to thrive, and I see no issue with extending performance to other lines. They have already used turbochargers in their Legacy and Forester lines, to good effect. Why it would suddenly be brand cannibalism to do the same in the BRZ is not immediately obvious to me.
    Agreed, agreed, and agreed.

    As I've said, I really don't see the BRZ stealing sales from the WRX/STI, they are different types of cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clt-wrx View Post
    yes, yes, and yes i agree they are very different and that was intentional. different engine, different driveline, different target market. the closer these two get the more they will pull from the same demographic, and though i personally dont understand it some people prefer naturally aspirated engines.


    you make a valid point all i could say to that is if i was purchasing a car in 2012/2013 i dont know which i would choose between the wrx or a turbocharged brz where as the above mentioned cars (though nice) are not on my radar.
    I understand your points, but I think there is still a large gap between them. If I were looking to buy a car and Subaru was offering a turbocharged BRZ, then I don't think I would have a tough time choosing between that or a WRX/STI. One is still a rear wheel drive, two door, two seater (yeah yeah I know there's a "backseat" but c'mon) little roadster. The other is a performance hatch/sedan based off an economy car with four doors and room/practicality to be a reasonable daily driver. If all I care about is performance numbers, then sure I'm going to buy the one with the best numbers. But there's a lot more that goes into buying a car for most people methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    That's a good point, John. There is a point in the weight spectrum where the bigger NA engine starts to make real sense.
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