The BIG BRZ Bickering Brief!

[RayfieldsWRX]

I'm sorry but the manager cannot possibly know what he claims to know.He can only speculate like the rest of us.

+1
The track record for "dealer guy" info is notoriously poor.

[rage-wrx]

I'm not a huge fan of the 11+ STI wing. I think it looks a lot more like a current Evo or Cobalt SS wing than its own thing. The new gen STI Sedans look BALLER with just a trunk lip though. That should be a factory option.

I agree,they should have offered a wingless version,called it a Limited special edition or something.I have mixed emotions when I see the sedan wing,sometimes I like it,sometimes I don't.It is a bit too prominent.

All the more reason for me to stick to hatchbacks.

[xlaterdaysx]

Yea. Well I said idk what's just speculation. Maybe all of it. I'd honestly take you guys' word before someone else's. That's all just what I heard. Apologies.

And I hate spoilers/wings on almost all cars. Except STIs. There is something that just works with those.

[zax]

I guarantee that the next generation WRX/STi (likely they may merge the two model) will focus more on efficiency than outright power. I don't think you'll be seeing a 400hp 2.5L 4-banger on the market from a reputable manufacturer. Speculation has it that the next-gen top-level Impreza (whether it be WRX/STi) will be powered by a direct-injected 1.6L mill.

[Karlosnived]

it may be powder by only a 1.6L, but i wouldn't be suprised if it still put out arround 300 for sti, and arround 250 for the wrx

[zax]

it may be powder by only a 1.6L, but i wouldn't be suprised if it still put out arround 300 for sti, and arround 250 for the wrx

With the current sales and homologation rules, I wouldn't be surprised if you see the "STi" and "WRX" line of the Impreza merge into one model.

[RayfieldsWRX]

I'm less interested in the peak hp number than I am in the usable powerband. 400hp available at 7000 rpms on a curve that looks like y=e^x won't sell a car to me. We'll see what they can do with the lower displacement engines.

[zax]

Ray... you'd be pleasantly surprised how direct injection (=9.5:1 or 10:1 CR) and a lower displacement motor feels.

[mangostick]

I dont remember seeing any info regarding final drive or trans ratios ... driveline matching is very important with high winding lower torque mills. If they set up the driveline correctly we can get away with a little less torque and still have lots of fun.

I like its looks and I like the concept of a light nimble 2+2 .. guess we'll see for sure when it arrives at the dealers and we can get our dirty little paws on them

[RayfieldsWRX]

Ray... you'd be pleasantly surprised how direct injection (=9.5:1 or 10:1 CR) and a lower displacement motor feels.

What have you driven that's D.I. and lower displacement, Zach?
I don't think I've gotten behind the wheel of anything with it, yet.

[Mikie13]

What have you driven that's D.I. and lower displacement, Zach?

Oooooooooooooooo dems is fightin' words!!!

[zax]

What have you driven that's D.I. and lower displacement, Zach?
I don't think I've gotten behind the wheel of anything with it, yet.

JCW Mini, GF's MS3, and Nissan Juke. The MS3 probably doesn't count since it sacrifices only 0.2L to the 2.5L WRX, but it has far more torque available down-low and much quicker spool than any Subaru I've ever driven.

[RayfieldsWRX]

Oooooooooooooooo dems is fightin' words!!!

That's not how I meant it....

Or...did I?

JCW Mini, GF's MS3, and Nissan Juke. The MS3 probably doesn't count since it sacrifices only 0.2L to the 2.5L WRX, but it has far more torque available down-low and much quicker spool than any Subaru I've ever driven.

Nice!

[SWPWRX11]

Subaru BRZ Concept STI from the L.A. Auto Show - YouTube

[MagnumXL]

The manager at my dealership said Toyotas contract wouldn't let them make it turbo or awd. But that in '14 or '15 there would be a turbo model, and optionally awd. Own how much of that is insider info or just speculations.

And the new WRX's will be redesigned to be more powerful, and to meet whatever standards they aren't now for wrc.

What a great contract they made. So they're basically not allowed to make their car what makes a Subaru a Subaru (i.e. AWD and/or turbo). In other words, Toyota knows people would choose the Subaru model over theirs if they offered either one. I'll take a look again in 3-4 years, then. I don't want RWD or less power than my current car.