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    Quote Originally Posted by Soobvirgin View Post
    My friend bought his Type R new in 2002(?) and I don't remember it ever having zero power at low revs. It accelerated well all the way up to about 5500rpm, then went nuts. This is my first turbo car, so I have little frame of reference, but below 2500rpm, my WRX has massive turbo lag. Several times I've put my foot flat to the floor expecting it to go and have been left waiting. I understand every car needs to be in the power band, but I've never experienced a car that just doesn't pull at all when not in it. Perhaps a tune would change this, but with a 7yr/70k mile warranty, I think I'd be silly to risk it. Perhaps a turbo'd car just isn't for me.
    you have never driven an EJ205 WRX I take it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soobvirgin View Post
    My friend bought his Type R new in 2002(?) and I don't remember it ever having zero power at low revs. It accelerated well all the way up to about 5500rpm, then went nuts. This is my first turbo car, so I have little frame of reference, but below 2500rpm, my WRX has massive turbo lag. Several times I've put my foot flat to the floor expecting it to go and have been left waiting. I understand every car needs to be in the power band, but I've never experienced a car that just doesn't pull at all when not in it. Perhaps a tune would change this, but with a 7yr/70k mile warranty, I think I'd be silly to risk it. Perhaps a turbo'd car just isn't for me.
    Never been in one of those type Rs. Just comparing the WRX to my RSX, there is much more torque down low and much earlier on. When I had the Acura flashed it helped smooth out the delivery, but the Subaru still wins out in the low end. Before the flash, the RSX was like a nominally quick economy 4 banger until the high rpm cam profile kicked almost at 6k rpms. The flash brought that point down a bit and helped add a little torque, but still was no comparison to the WRX, turbo lag and all.

    Oh well, every engine is different. The trick is to learn your engine's strengths and utilize them. I just personally find the WRX to be much more usable in daily life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    you have never driven an EJ205 WRX I take it?
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    I just personally find the WRX to be much more usable in daily life.
    That's interesting. I was thinking the opposite! The other thing is where the acceleration seems to stop - shortly after 5k rpm. After that it just makes more noise, but the turbo whoooosh seems to be all done. But if you change up at that point, you're no longer in the power band for the next gear. The power delivery seems much more suited to track driving where you can always be in the right gear. It seems less practical for daily driving. Just an odd power delivery, IMO. I sure hope I warm to this car because I was planning on keeping it for 5 years

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    You bought your WRX expecting lots of power available below 2500rpms? I'm thinking a larger displacement engine (a V8) would have been a more natural choice, given that kind of powerband preference.

    The EJ205 was referenced, (stock 2.0 in the 2002-2005 WRX's), because they had somewhat less torque at low revs than your 2.5.

    I think turbo-4bangers really throw people who are a little new to manual shifting, or who have been in V8s in the past. Outside of that, you find your engine's powerband and figure out how to live there. Easy peasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    The EJ205 was referenced, (stock 2.0 in the 2002-2005 WRX's), because they had somewhat less torque at low revs than your 2.5.
    Somewhat? How about 25% less? (makes sense since the 2.0L has 25% less displacement)
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    A diesel WRX would solve the low rpm low power question. It's not to be though I don't think. Base model maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    A diesel WRX would solve the low rpm low power question. It's not to be though I don't think. Base model maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayfieldsWRX View Post
    You bought your WRX expecting lots of power available below 2500rpms? I'm thinking a larger displacement engine (a V8) would have been a more natural choice, given that kind of powerband preference.

    The EJ205 was referenced, (stock 2.0 in the 2002-2005 WRX's), because they had somewhat less torque at low revs than your 2.5.

    I think turbo-4bangers really throw people who are a little new to manual shifting, or who have been in V8s in the past. Outside of that, you find your engine's powerband and figure out how to live there. Easy peasy.
    Oh, no, no. Not "lots" of power - some. I've never owned a V8 or an automatic. I think it was the torque figure that threw me. I didn't realize that was only once the turbo kicked in. I really thought turbo lag died in the '80s. Seems like making it twin turbo or supercharged (as stock) instead would solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soobvirgin View Post
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    That's interesting. I was thinking the opposite! The other thing is where the acceleration seems to stop - shortly after 5k rpm. After that it just makes more noise, but the turbo whoooosh seems to be all done. But if you change up at that point, you're no longer in the power band for the next gear. The power delivery seems much more suited to track driving where you can always be in the right gear. It seems less practical for daily driving. Just an odd power delivery, IMO. I sure hope I warm to this car because I was planning on keeping it for 5 years
    I do agree that the stock tune on my car can be a little quirky with the delivery. I guess what I'm trying to say is that even though it can be quirky and have a little lag, the k20 in my acura felt little different from any 4 banger econocar until more like 4500-5000 rpms, and even after the work I did to it the WRX still has more power down low as long as you give it a little blip to avoid bogging. Again, this is just my opinion, and I don't know if those older type Rs had a better powerband.
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    I think we've officially crossed over onto Subjectivity Island. My car does have "some" power below 2500. More than enough for daily use. If I need more, I rev higher. :shrug:

    The thread was actually about the S2K, if you'll recall...You would really hate those.


    Quote Originally Posted by Soobvirgin View Post
    Oh, no, no. Not "lots" of power - some. I've never owned a V8 or an automatic. I think it was the torque figure that threw me. I didn't realize that was only once the turbo kicked in. I really thought turbo lag died in the '80s. Seems like making it twin turbo or supercharged (as stock) instead would solve the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokey View Post
    The hardest part of driving a miata or s2k is telling your parents that you're gay.
    I take it you've never ridden one? (an S2000, Miata or a Man's CΦk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by teflon_jones View Post
    Um yeah nice photochop! That would be interesting to have a redline that high in an STI. Even if you modded it and set it that high your engine would probably go kablooey within a half dozen times taking it that high.....
    I hope you're not serious..

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    in fact, going back all the way to v5, and all the way up to at least v9 (I believe the ej207's sold in JDM sti's still rev that high), the rev limiter has been at least 8k.

    Sure you can't rev a 2.5l that high, but that's why many don't prefer them for builds, or do 2.35l destrokers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokey View Post
    The hardest part of driving a miata or s2k is telling your parents that you're gay.
    And what would be so bad about that? I'm not gay, but my brother is. I'm also not a PC nazi, but that is a pretty rude thing to say.

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