anything is possible in f1.. the car didnt seem too hard to drive and his lap times were consistant unlike when vettel had his brake problem and the car was almost undriveable
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anything is possible in f1.. the car didnt seem too hard to drive and his lap times were consistant unlike when vettel had his brake problem and the car was almost undriveable
Mercedes will not appeal Schumacher penalty
Mercedes will not appeal the penalty imposed on Michael Schumacher for passing Fernando Alonso on the final lap of the Monaco Grand Prix.
Schumacher snuck past Alonso into the final corner after the safety car had returned to the pits to allow race leader Mark Webber to cross the line at full speed. As a result, Schumacher was hit with a 20 second post-race penalty - dropping him from sixth place to 12th - on the grounds that he had contravened article 40.13 of the sporting regulations, which states that no overtaking is allowed if the race finishes under a safety car. Mercedes believed that racing had resumed because the safety car had peeled back into the pits and green flags were shown on track but, after deliberating for two days as to whether it should lodge an appeal, decided not to take any action.
"On the final lap of the 2010 Monaco Grand Prix, Mercedes GP Petronas instructed our drivers, Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg, to race from safety car line one until the finish line as permitted under articles 40.7 and 40.11," read a statement from the team.
"Mercedes GP Petronas were fully aware of article 40.13 which states that no overtaking is permitted if the race finishes under safety car conditions. However we believed that the combination of the race control messages 'Safety Car in this lap' and 'Track Clear' and the green flags and lights shown by the marshals after safety car line one indicated that the race was not finishing under the safety car and all drivers were free to race.
"This opinion appears to have been shared by the majority of the teams with cars in the top ten positions who also gave their drivers instructions to race to the finish line.
"It was clear from our discussions with the stewards after the race that they understood the reasons for our interpretation and acknowledged that this was a new and previously untested situation but ultimately disagreed with our interpretation."
Mercedes said it had decided not to appeal in light of the FIA's decision to tidy up the regulations and make the regulations clearer.
"The FIA has agreed to include article 40.13 on the agenda of the next Sporting Working Group for discussion and to consider the scale of post race penalties. We believe that the 20 second penalty imposed on Michael to be disproportionate in the circumstances.
"Whilst we cannot be happy with the outcome, we are pleased that the FIA has recognised the reasons for our interpretation. Therefore in the best interests of the sport, Mercedes GP Petronas will not be submitting an appeal."
Schumacher's ex-title rival Damon Hill was on the Monaco stewards panel, leading to wild suggestions from his fans that the decision had been biased. However, Mercedes confirmed that Hill's part in the decision had not been an issue.
"Mercedes GP Petronas would like to emphasise that we fully support the inclusion of past drivers on the stewards panel and are completely satisfied that the Monaco Grand Prix stewards acted professionally, impartially and properly in this matter."
New York village in talks for US GP
Another possible venue for a future United States grand prix has emerged.
After talks for a race in Jersey City reportedly collapsed, it is now suggested that Monticello Motor Club, about two hours from New York City, has been earmarked as a possible alternative.
Autoweek published a letter from the club's president Ari Strauss to members revealing that the club - located in the Town of Thompson in Sullivan County - is in talks with F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone.
The letter also said Strauss met with Ecclestone a few months ago, and that F1 track designer Hermann Tilke has already visited the venue.
Strauss said Tilke "confirmed that our track and surrounding properties, with some expansion and minor track modifications, is an excellent location for a grand prix".
He explained that he is working on securing the "backing and support of local, state, and federal politicians and organisations" and warned that "securing F1 is like winning the Olympics, competition is fierce, and this is not a done deal".
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Danica: I don't want F1 – I want to have fun!
In a revealing and engaging interview, IndyCar's cover girl Danica Patrick recalls her early period of racing in Britain - Ford Granada and all - and explains why she likely won't ever return...
Cover girl, swimsuit model, a woman in what is very much a man's world – oh, and IndyCar Series race-winner too – Danica Patrick has revealed in an engaging interview that she has no intention of moving across the Pond to join the F1 circus , reasoning that 'something that's very important to me is having fun'.
For all that she is now a leading name on the US scene, Patrick actually learned the majority of her craft in the UK alongside a group of fellow drivers she refers to as the F1 'brat pack', after relocating from Illinois to Milton Keynes at the age of only 16 as a hugely promising karting ace.
Three years on British shores saw the fast lady from Wisconsin progress through Formula Vauxhall and Formula Ford – with a second place in the 2000 Formula Ford Festival at Brands Hatch – and whilst she and reigning F1 World Champion Jenson Button never actually raced wheel-to-wheel, Patrick knew the McLaren-Mercedes star and his team-mate and title-winning predecessor Lewis Hamilton on a social basis.
One factor that she appreciated rather less in Britain, however, was what she perceived as the ingrained sexism in motor racing, worse than in her homeland even with the likes of former NASCAR hero Kyle Petty cruelly describing her on air as 'just a marketing machine' more interested in looking good than racing well.
“I wasn't going to be a go-kart driver forever,” the 28-year-old told The Times. “As soon I was old enough to race cars, I took it to the next level. I was told that I could learn more in a year in the UK than I could in five years in the United States. I met Lewis Hamilton at Jenson's 21st birthday party, by which time Jenson was already an F1 driver. We were a brat pack of friends, him and a few other drivers. Button's a nice guy – I was happy to see him win last year.
“It felt much more old-school over there [in Britain], though. Women still cooked and cleaned. I feel the women's movement happened a little faster over here (in America). I remember I was the quickest one day in practice, and one of the team owners I drove for couldn't believe it. To the male drivers he was like, 'She's the quickest – what are you doing? Get out there, go!' as if it wasn't okay to be slower than me. He would tell his wife to fetch him beers.
“It was a downer trading in the [Ford] Mustang I owned in the States for a FIAT Punto in England, too – although I could get it up to 108mph with the wing mirrors tucked in! Then I had a Vauxhall Vectra and an awful 20-year-old brown [Ford] Granada. [Now] I drive an ML 63 AMG – it's the sportiest SUV Mercedes has. It's a very fast car, really quick and very comfortable. It handles really well.
“I have a Lamborghini as well, but I don't drive it. I have to go slower over speed bumps and avoid certain roads because of potholes or dips. There's nowhere to put my drink because there's no cup-holder – and, I'm not going to lie, it looks pretentious. I used to think it was cool to drive a Lamborghini to dinner. Now? No. Like I really need to be looked at anymore? Like I really need people to stare at me?”
Patrick is used to being stared at, as IndyCar's omnipresent poster girl, and she reflects that the bikini photoshoots, TV drama appearances and music video cameos is all part of the game – “I'm having fun with the media exposure; I'm taking opportunities where they make sense and where they portray a part of my personality,” she explains – as the worlds of high-octane, danger-fuelled racing and glamour are never far apart from one another.
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Turkish Grand Prix - May 30
* Circuit Length 5.338kms
* Circuit Turns 14
* Circuit Direction anti-clockwise
* Capacity 130,000
* Established 2005
* Designer Hermann Tilke
One of a batch a modern-day circuits designed by Hermann Tilke, Istanbul Park is a high speed track where F1 cars can reach speeds of over 205mph. Istanbul is one of only four current F1 circuits that runs anti-clockwise, the others being Singapore, Brazil and the new track in Abu Dhabi.
Although the circuit does not feature Tilke's trademark long straight followed by a hairpin to encourage overtaking there are still numerous opportunities throughout the lap. The most challenging corner on the track is the multi-apex turn eight where drivers experience a load of 5G.
The circuit offers excellent spectator facilities with a capacity of 130,000 people; the race however is often badly supported by spectators. Felipe Massa is the most successful driver in the short history of the circuit, winning three consecutive races between 2006 and 2008.
Hamilton leads as Mercedes dominates Turkish practice
Lewis Hamilton blitzed the F1 field as practice got underway for the Turkish GP in Istanbul.
Although little can usually be read into the results of the first practice session at any grand prix, Istanbul Park looks set to allow the other frontrunners to dream about beating Red Bull Racing.
While co-championship leaders Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber were firmly ensconced in the top ten - taking fifth and eighth places respectively - the Milton Keynes team had to give best to the four leading Mercedes-powered cars, with Lewis Hamilton blitzing a circuit where he starred in the GP2 Series four years ago.
The Briton ended up easily the fastest of the 24 runners on show, taking top spot by a massive 0.962secs from McLaren team-mate Jenson Button. Although the current world champion took his turn at the head of the field, he was unable to respond when Hamilton took the benchmark into the 1min 28s, leaving the opening day target at 1min 28.653secs while Button had to make do with the 1min 29.615secs effort that he clocked midway through the 90-minute session.
The elder Briton had jut over a tenth in hand on his nearest rival, with Michael Schumacher again making the most of the longer wheelbase Mercedes to get the better of team-mate Nico Rosberg. The former Williams man was closer than he had been in Barcelona, however, but only just denied Vettel a top four position as the Red Bull driver got to within 0.013secs by the chequered flag.
While Mercedes annexed the top four spots, Renault filled the next four, with Vettel and Webber split by Robert Kubica and Vitaly Petrov. The two championship leaders also had a couple of tenths between them, but Petrov was a lot closer to his team-mate, lapping just 0.004secs slower than Kubica on a track he knows well from GP2.
Behind Webber, Fernando Alonso and Adrian Sutil completed the top ten for Ferrari and Force India respectively, but the German ended his session buried in the turn eight tyre wall after a heavy off, his Mercedes-powered car badly damaged at both ends and preventing any late improvements as yellow flags covered the crash scene.
While Ferrari is renowned for sandbagging on a Friday, track specialist Felipe Massa would have been disappointed not to join team-mate Alonso in the top ten. The Brazilian, who has won three times in the first five races at Istanbul Park, was sixth tenths and four places behind the best Ferrari, with Sauber Kamui Kobayashi and Force India's Tonio Liuzzi also between them. Alonso, Sutil, Liuzzi and Massa were all testing new variations on the controversial F-duct, as were frontrunners Mercedes and Red Bull, but it would appear that McLaren's tried and tested system continued to hold the upper hand on a circuit where, unlike Monaco, the idea has great merit.
Lotus again claimed bragging rights among the new teams, with Heikki Kovalainen - who twice outqualified Hamilton at Istanbul Park during their time together at McLaren - and Jarno Trulli respectively 2.7 and 1.9secs clear of nearest rival Karun Chandhok's HRT, with the Finn only 0.4secs adrift of Toro Rosso's Jaime Alguersuari.
Chandhok, meanwhile, proved faster than either Virgin runner, and well ahead of temporary HRT testing partner Sakon Yamamoto, who made his debut with the Spanish team in place of the 'rested' Bruno Senna, who will return in the afternoon session.
Click: crash.net/f1/news/160104/1/hamilton_leads_as_mercedes_dominates_turkish_pract ice
Turkish Grand Prix, Istanbul - Friday free practice (1)
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 28.653s
2. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 29.615s
3. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 29.750s
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 29.855s
5. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 29.867s
6. Robert Kubica Poland Renault-Renault 1m 30.061s
7. Vitaly Petrov Russia Renault-Renault 1m 30.065s
8. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 30.097s
9. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 30.294s
10. Adrian Sutil Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 30.501s
11. Kamui Kobayashi Japan BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1m 30.615s
12. Vitantonio Liuzzi Italy Force India-Mercedes 1m 30.853s
13. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 30.867s
14. Sebastien Buemi Switzerland Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 31.011s
15. Pedro de la Rosa Spain BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1m 31.238s
16. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Williams-Cosworth 1m 31.355s
17. Rubens Barrichello Brazil Williams-Cosworth 1m 31.464s
18. Jaime Alguersuari Spain Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 31.735s
19. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Lotus-Cosworth 1m 32.161s
20. Jarno Trulli Italy Lotus-Cosworth 1m 32.990s
21. Karun Chandhok India HRT-Cosworth 1m 34.876s
22. Lucas di Grassi Brazil Virgin-Cosworth 1m 35.137s
23. Timo Glock Germany Virgin-Cosworth 1m 35.583s
24. Sakon Yamamoto Japan HRT-Cosworth 1m 36.137s
all times unofficial
said Monticello Motor Club didnt get the bid i only live an hour away.
Turkish Grand Prix, Istanbul - Friday free practice (2)
Jenson Button keeps McLaren top in second practice at Istanbul Park, ahead of Red Bull's Mark Webber, who stopped at the end of the session, possibly due to an engine failure.
1. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 28.280s
2. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1m 28.378s
3. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1m 28.590s
4. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1m 28.672s
5. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 28.725s
6. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 28.914s
7. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 28.974s
8. Robert Kubica Poland Renault-Renault 1m 29.225s
9. Vitaly Petrov Russia Renault-Renault 1m 29.501s
10. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 29.620s
11. Adrian Sutil Germany Force India-Mercedes 1m 29.629s
12. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Williams-Cosworth 1m 29.987s
13. Kamui Kobayashi Japan BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1m 30.053s
14. Pedro de la Rosa Spain BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1m 30.176s
15. Sebastien Buemi Switzerland Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 30.386s
16. Vitantonio Liuzzi Italy Force India-Mercedes 1m 30.627s
17. Rubens Barrichello Brazil Williams-Cosworth 1m 30.766s
18. Jaime Alguersuari Spain Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 30.933s
19. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Lotus-Cosworth 1m 31.610s
20. Lucas di Grassi Brazil Virgin-Cosworth 1m 33.013s
21. Jarno Trulli Italy Lotus-Cosworth 1m 33.081s
22. Timo Glock Germany Virgin-Cosworth 1m 33.312s
23. Bruno Senna Japan HRT-Cosworth 1m 33.420s
24. Karun Chandhok India HRT-Cosworth 1m 33.740s
all times unofficial
Button splits with Japanese model girlfriend
Reigning world champion Jenson Button has split with his girlfriend Jessica Michibata.
British daily tabloid The Sun said the 30-year-old decided to call time on their 18-month relationship shortly after the recent Monaco grand prix.
Japanese fashion model Michibata, 25, lives in Tokyo, and a friend of Monaco-domiciled Button is quoted as saying the "logistics" of the relationship "took their toll".
"Just over a week ago Jenson reluctantly decided that his racing must be his main priority," the source added.
A spokesman for Button confirmed: "Jenson is single again. He and Jessica have gone their separate ways."
Domenicali indicates Massa to stay at Ferrari
Ferrari on Thursday came close to confirming that Felipe Massa will be retained as Fernando Alonso's teammate for the 2011 season.
Brazilian Massa's contract expires in December, and it has been rumoured that Robert Kubica or Mark Webber are being lined up as potential replacements.
The 29-year-old has struggled with the F10 car alongside Alonso so far this season, but when asked if Ferrari will field an identical lineup in 2011, team boss Stefano Domenicali answered: "Yes, I think so."
The Italian indicated that Maranello based Ferrari prefers to work with Massa to overcome his difficulties rather than oust him.
"Massa was struggling with the hard tyres in certain conditions in the first part of the year, so I think that is the area we need to work with him so he has more confidence in the car," Domenicali is quoted by the BBC.
"It's easy to criticise a driver when he is not performing well, so we need to make sure the package for him is the best."
At Istanbul Park on Thursday, Pole Kubica said it is "too early" to talk about his whereabouts for 2011, but indicated that he is happy at Renault.
Vettel names new chassis 'Randy Mandy'
Sebastian Vettel has named his latest RB6 chassis 'Randy Mandy'.
Giving his cars an amorous female name has become one of the 22-year-old German's several F1-related superstitions.
He religiously steps into his cars and dismounts from the left-hand side, and slides a lucky coin behind the laces of his boot.
Vettel called his original 2010 Red Bull 'Luscious Liz', following on from its 2009 predecessor 'Kate's Dirty Sister'.
But Luscious Liz has been retired after the team found damage in the wake of the Spain/Monaco double-header, dominated emphatically by his teammate Mark Webber.
It emerges that Vettel will now be at the wheel of the fully-updated test car.
It has been a warm and sunny day at Istanbul Park, and more of the same 't-shirt weather' is expected throughout the Turkish GP weekend.
Pretty crazy race today. Vettel is a hell of driver but I think he's overly aggressive. He takes some pretty serious risks, gets penalties and generally seems to break the cars a lot. Today's crash with Webber is probably the most spectacular example.
I was hoping the Mclarens were going to run out of fuel before the end.
It's probably good that Ferrari is keeping Massa. I don't think he's a great driver but it doesn't look like there's anyone much better that will be available. There were rumors about Kubica and Webber but I'm not sure they are any better. Webber was no where until recently and Kubica is hard to tell since he's never been with a top running team/car.
i def felt for webber today was hoping he would get the win but alas it wasnt to be i'm sure vettel got a few choice words behind the scenes from the team....
was nice to see jenson n hammy trading places a lap after the redbull debacle...and glad that mclaren took the 1 , 2 and are back in business
if i was mark webber i take vettel in the back of the garage and knock him out... un called for..not only did he take himself out he killed webbers chances of a win and hurt the team in the constructors points.. silly move..
I would put it a bit on Webber as well being stubborn and aggressively defensive as usual. The boys at McLaren showed them how it is done IMO. Honestly if team mates weren't getting racey it would have been far less exciting.
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Brundle: Red Bull facing 'civil war'
Martin Brundle warns Red Bull to act quickly to prevent an internal war between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel after the Turkish GP
Former F1 driver, and current BBC commentator, Martin Brundle says he feels that Red Bull Racing faces 'a civil war just when they are on the cusp of victory' following the controversial collision between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel in Turkey.
The pair collided while fighting for the lead in Istanbul with Vettel forced to retire and Webber dropping back to third place – handing McLaren a 1-2 finish and what could prove to be a vital maximum score in the constructors' championship.
The blame game started as soon as Vettel exited his car, with the German using the commonly known symbol for 'mental' as he walked away from his damaged machine, while Christian Horner and Helmut Marko have both suggested that Webber should have allowed his team-mate through.
However, Brundle – who called the incident as Vettel's fault during the BBC's coverage of the race – again insisted that the blame couldn't be placed at Webber's door and that Vettel turning into his team-mate 'wasn't the right answer' when it came to finding a way through.
“Vettel was into the slipsteam of his team-mate heading at 200mph towards the obvious overtaking point of the turn twelve hairpin,” he wrote in his latest blog for the BBC website. “Webber instinctively defended and left an F1 car-sized gap at the side of the road on the dirty, unused part of the track. Vettel chose to take it and moved alongside and then slightly ahead.
“At this point the German either realised he would never stop in time, or he wanted to muscle and intimidate Webber across the road to ensure a better line into the hairpin. It was a deliberate move of the wheel from Vettel, not a slide under braking. Unsurprisingly, Webber never moved, contact was made, Vettel was out of the race and Webber's car was damaged.
“I spoke with Christian Horner and Helmut Marko of Red Bull immediately after the race. They asked how I called it on TV and I told them I said it was 100 per cent Vettel's fault for swerving into Webber. They clearly disagreed and said that Webber should never have been squeezing his team-mate onto the dirty part of the race track when as a team they needed to be defending against the ever-present McLarens.
“There's some substance to that argument but the bottom line is that Vettel turning right into the side of Webber's car was not the right answer.”
Brundle added that Red Bull shouldn't have expected Webber to simply yield the position as he chased a third straight victory and that Red Bull now faced the prospect of a 'civil war' between its drivers which it needs to sort out as soon as possible.
“The team can't expect Webber to score three consecutive dominant pole positions and wipe the floor with all comers, including his team-mate, in the previous two races in Spain and Monaco and then suddenly turn all passive the first time Vettel makes a move on him,” he continued. “If Webber had lifted or moved over he may as well have just handed the world championship trophy to his team-mate and headed back to Australia. He had to stand his ground.
“The problem Red Bull have is that it seems clear they favour their protégé Vettel to take the title over Webber, who is eleven years older. They can't claim to treat both drivers equally and then apparently favour one because the whole situation will implode between the two sides of the garage.
“Red Bull have assembled a tremendous group of people who have demonstrated the experience, dedication, and competitive energy to rise up and match the finest teams such as Ferrari and McLaren, who have decades of history and experience. They have worked together to fight the enemy but now they face a civil war just when they are on the cusp of victory.
“This is a delicate moment and absolute honesty and clarity behind closed doors is the only solution. They must channel the competitive energy of the drivers and their support crew on each side of the garage into positive results for the team with clear ground rules. And then stick by them.”