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    Subaru World Rally Team managing director Richard Taylor believes the manufacturer would quit the World Rally Championship if a two-wheel-drive future is enforced by the FIA.

    Autosport magazine this week reports that the sport's governing body will consider whether to limit the main class of the WRC to two-wheel-drive cars from 2010.

    A decision is expected at the next meeting of the World Motorsport Council on March 26, and Taylor thinks Subaru would walk away from the WRC if they couldn't field their four-wheel-drive cars.

    "Subaru's market is four-wheel-drive," he told Autosport. "If this change came it could be the trigger for Subaru to pull out, they wouldn't be remotely interested in it."

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    What a stupid idea. they should just run WRC on paved ovals too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weasel 555 View Post
    Subaru World Rally Team managing director Richard Taylor believes the manufacturer would quit the World Rally Championship if a two-wheel-drive future is enforced by the FIA.

    Autosport magazine this week reports that the sport's governing body will consider whether to limit the main class of the WRC to two-wheel-drive cars from 2010.

    A decision is expected at the next meeting of the World Motorsport Council on March 26, and Taylor thinks Subaru would walk away from the WRC if they couldn't field their four-wheel-drive cars.

    "Subaru's market is four-wheel-drive," he told Autosport. "If this change came it could be the trigger for Subaru to pull out, they wouldn't be remotely interested in it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weasel 555 View Post
    Subaru World Rally Team managing director Richard Taylor believes the manufacturer would quit the World Rally Championship if a two-wheel-drive future is enforced by the FIA.
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    I actually am OK with a 2WD rallycar. Some of the greatest rallies ever have been contested and won in spectacular fashion by 2WD cars.

    Subaru's objections, after all, concern marketing of road cars, not competition car performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    I actually am OK with a 2WD rallycar. Some of the greatest rallies ever have been contested and won in spectacular fashion by 2WD cars.

    Subaru's objections, after all, concern marketing of road cars, not competition car performance.
    but then we lose our rally heritage and are stuck driving justanother japanese car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by efmd3 View Post
    but then we lose our rally heritage and are stuck driving justanother japanese car.
    I don't think we lose anything though. The cars we've bought already won't change, and rally heritage isn't limited to AWD cars. When I see a MkI or MkII Escort, a Manta, a 131, or a Starlet I think rally heritage -- because after all it's the heritage is there despite the RWD. Likewise, FWD cars like the Mini Cooper have rally heritage and are revered.

    Since Subaru have convinced people in specific markets that their focus is AWD and boxer motors (despite selling cars that feature neither in other markets) it's likely they'll continue making AWD Imprezas and Legacies so if we still want a turbo AWD Subaru we could just go buy a new one I'd guess.
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    I'm not really big into rallying but it seems to m there have been some pretty cool RWD rally cars. Lancia Stratos anyone?




    I guess Subaru could just make a RWD rally car and paste AWD logos all over it to "pretend" kind of like those nascar cars that have the Ford Fusion grille painted on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    I don't think we lose anything though. The cars we've bought already won't change, and rally heritage isn't limited to AWD cars. When I see a MkI or MkII Escort, a Manta, a 131, or a Starlet I think rally heritage -- because after all it's the heritage is there despite the RWD. Likewise, FWD cars like the Mini Cooper have rally heritage and are revered.

    Since Subaru have convinced people in specific markets that their focus is AWD and boxer motors (despite selling cars that feature neither in other markets) it's likely they'll continue making AWD Imprezas and Legacies so if we still want a turbo AWD Subaru we could just go buy a new one I'd guess.
    ford still has their rally heritage...you did see what they did last year, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by efmd3 View Post
    ford still has their rally heritage...you did see what they did last year, right?
    you mean in the AWD Focus?
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    I'd buy a rwd STI. It would mean the installation of a beefier rear diff and I fully support that. Smoky non trans breaking burnouts FTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    you mean in the AWD Focus?
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    I'd buy a rwd STI. It would mean the installation of a beefier rear diff and I fully support that. Smoky non trans breaking burnouts FTW.
    maybe if they made the tranny beefier and made the center diff capable of locking full rear... that'd be freaking sweet (and expensive)

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    Talk of a 2wd WRC is not new. I remember similar discussions after the demise of Group B, and even during the demise of Group A -- keep in mind that even though WRC cars are still called Group A, the rules are quite different now than in the 90s.

    Anyone that's heard an Escort or a Nissan 240 RS grunting as it goes up a hillside knows the sound is magic. Although speeds would drop if we moved to a 2WD format, I still believe the format itself could provide enough challenge and spectacle to keep the crowds coming to stages and keep people talking about rallying -- even if, or perhaps especially if turbos are also banned. C. McRae once said that he loves the sound and sight of the Group 5 cars (no turbos, no AWD) and I have to agree. They provided excitement that the WRC could still use today.

    The pic is a RWD atmospherically aspirated Opel Manta (a Group B car, but not a monster -- among the last of its kind before turbo AWD).
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    so what your saying is they want to turn rally racing into autocross?? but seriously, If you want to make a 2WD class fine but don't throw out AWD
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    Keep in mind that their intentions and their stated intentions may not be the same -- I have always thought that FIA, dating back to the FISA days, does what it can to keep F1 a cash cow even if it means taking measures to limit the appeal of rallying.

    By eliminating AWD they may state they want to simplify the series and give it broader appeal, but they may actually want to bleed the series to keep F1 a source of revenue. My belief and hope is that their stated goal is actually realistic -- by turning rallying back into what it once was or what people once hoped it will be, they'll make it more approachable for teams and more popular.

    To field a top local team today requires an unrealistic budget for most enterprises. It used to be that an organized privateer could take on works teams, but this hasn't been the case in ages.

    Pic is ex-Vatanen Ford Escort RS as seen in the RAC.
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