Yes, not much harder and seems better for the car.
No, its a waste of time and not that much better on synchros.
Whats a clutch?... wheres the bewbies option?
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Just wondering whats the popular opinion here, and how hard is it really on your synchros to be downshifting at slightly higher rpm's like when heel-toeing without double clutching.
"90 miles an hour through trees sideways is pretty damn scary" ~Ken Block
that seems like alot of foot work for me..i'm just perfecting heal toe as it is let alone throwing in double clutching...im sure its better for the car but is it really the preffered method? I've done it once or twice going into third because its still a pain in my car for some reason and grinds if I downshift fast even though I have ppg's 1-4.
always double clutch (guess I shouldn't say always, but damn near always) after lots and lots of repetitions it becomes very second nature
"Simplify and add lightness." - Colin Chapman
I double vlutch going down from 3>2 and 2>1 on my jdm 6 speed... makes shifting easier...
I very, very rarely double clutch. Pretty much never. At least not as a method to get the syncros the mesh.
How many of you have actually driven a vehicle that requires double clutching? I suspect what people are calling double clutching isn't really double clutching. It doesn't mean just pressing the clutch pedal twice. It involves using the gas pedal too and using it at the right time and being able to estimate RPM versus vehicle speed very accurately. I grew up on a farm driving vehicles that require it and it's not an easy technique to master.
Last edited by teflon_jones; 12-29-2007 at 08:42 PM.
Scott
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just went out for a drive and gave the duoble clutch heal toeing another chance...not worth it in my book...especially coming into tight turns and needeing to downshift quickly.
Maybe i'm just not quick enough yet,but with todays synchronized transmissions I see no real point in it, except maybe 2-1st but as it is now I can throw my car in to first at 37mph no problem and it is sweet!!!
I'll keep trying it to see if my views change. still think its a bit overkill
Why would you want to downshift into 1st at 37 MPH?Originally Posted by 06wrxdude
Scott
Past Subies - '11 STI Limited stage 1+ and '04 STi stage 2+
'13 Wrangler Rubicon - custom front bumper w/12k lb winch & off-road lights, skid plates, diff guards, etc.
'04 Porsche 911 Turbo GT2 clone 600 HP/TQ
'77 F-150 heavily modded for off-roading
My car won't go into first if i'm over 5mph!
Why would you want to downshift into 1st at 37 MPH?
because he can....?
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i'm terrible at heal and toe....but i guess i don't try enough. but whenever down shifting, i always...ALWAYS double clutch.
i miss my car, its down in FL and I'm back up here for the holidays.
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So first gear can go "poof" and make fun noises!!!Why would you want to downshift into 1st at 37 MPH?
and I do it b/c with the oil I have in mine right now it needs to be done when the trans is cold the oil is more than happy to go into second and first when warm.
and let me be sure by 'double clutching' you mean out of gear>neutral>into gear, with the arrows being uses of the clutch?
Uhm... should be
in gear
clutch in
pull shift lever out of gear
clutch out
revmatch to rpms where your intended gear will want to be
clutch in
push shift lever into gear
clutch out
The benefit of doing it correctly is very noticeable as the "shift into gear" will feel smooth as silk.
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yes i am talking about double clutching as micah defined. not sure there is anything else that can be be considered double clutching. as for those that think its way too much footwork and too slow, spend a week actively thinking about it every downshift and it will become second nature. just as heel-toeing was challenging and awkward in the beginning double clutchng will also become faster and smoother. glad to hear i'm not alone in doing it. it just feels a lot better for the car when the shifter slides right in.
"90 miles an hour through trees sideways is pretty damn scary" ~Ken Block
these guys describe it better than I can
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving..._heeltoe.shtml
"Simplify and add lightness." - Colin Chapman
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