upgraded my tubo help

**brfatal** · 10-13-2010 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Drews

Other than having a smaller turbo a front mount isn't really going to set him back. If he is still on the stock top mount then a front mount would still be better.

He needs to shop for what's suitable and within his price range. There is a such thing as overkill. It really depends on a lot of variables so I wouldn't automatically say that he needs a FMIC.

**Drews** · 10-13-2010 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by brfatal

He needs to shop for what's suitable and within his price range. There is a such thing as overkill. It really depends on a lot of variables so I wouldn't automatically say that he needs a FMIC.

Well of course not. But all I said is it would be better than the stock TMIC. And if he came across one for a good deal it would be there if he ever decided to go bigger than a 16g.

**lucaslovesboost** · 10-13-2010 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by brfatal

A pro-tune isn't even a question since I know he can't tune it himself. And yess a FMIC will support more power, but it will be overkill for what he needs and a FMIC is only worth it if the benefits outweigh the negatives. In his case they won't.

if i got a cobb id be able to tune it, ive had turboed 240s in the past and tuned by me. pretty sure a subbie shouldnt be too much differnt,

im just wandering what would be better? pro tune or cobb?

and with bigger injectors,an fmic, walbro and a tune could i keep up with stock sti's??

**cjm1991** · 10-13-2010 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Drews

Well of course not. But all I said is it would be better than the stock TMIC. And if he came across one for a good deal it would be there if he ever decided to go bigger than a 16g.

I gotta agree here, no matter what turbo he has a FMIC is going to be a better unit than the POS stock top mount. It may be overkill though, and why spend money you dont have to. FMIC is going to benefit greatly on a evo3, people see gains from TMIC to FMIC on just a vf turbo.

**lucaslovesboost** · 10-13-2010 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by cjm1991

I gotta agree here, no matter what turbo he has a FMIC is going to be a better unit than the POS stock top mount. It may be overkill though, and why spend money you dont have to. FMIC is going to benefit greatly on a evo3, people see gains from TMIC to FMIC on just a vf turbo.

is the ebay 300$ fmic kit good?

**Anub1s** · 10-13-2010 04:56 PM

Ugh, again with the stupid FMIC vs TMIC arguments. I will say again, this is ENTIRELY situational based. Yes, an FMIC is going to be better than the dinky stock TMIC, but a better TMIC, can and likely will be a better choice depending on his situation and his needs. Stating that an FMIC should automatically be the first choice simply because the stocker sucks, is very asinine.

Intercooler recommendations should not have anything to do with your personal preference, it should be an open discussion about what his needs are and what he uses his car for, nothing more.

**cjm1991** · 10-13-2010 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by lucaslovesboost

is the ebay 300$ fmic kit good?

I wouldnt recommend it.. but some people are lucky and get one of decent quality for cheap, most dont though.

**cjm1991** · 10-13-2010 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anub1s

Ugh, again with the stupid FMIC vs TMIC arguments. I will say again, this is ENTIRELY situational based. Yes, an FMIC is going to be better than the dinky stock TMIC, but a better TMIC, can and likely will be a better choice depending on his situation and his needs. Stating that an FMIC should automatically be the first choice simply because the stocker sucks, is very asinine.

Intercooler recommendations should not have anything to do with your personal preference, it should be an open discussion about what his needs are and what he uses his car for, nothing more.

1. You say the exact thing I said, a FMIC is better than a POS stock TMIC.

2. I never wrote that anywhere, in fact I just said an upgraded intercooler should be used.

Its not situational based, its personal preference. We aren't all going for the best most well rounded subaru in the world. I buy parts that I think will benefit my car, and myself when driving or looking at it. If I wanted to have a car with 15k of parts it wouldnt be a subaru trust me.

**lucaslovesboost** · 10-13-2010 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by cjm1991

I wouldnt recommend it.. but some people are lucky and get one of decent quality for cheap, most dont though.

think i might just order it and hope for the best its only 300 bucks worst case senerio i get a brand name intercooler and ill still have all the piping..

**KnightFury** · 10-13-2010 05:25 PM

The dicussion between tmic and fmic is a slippery slope and def agree

this is ENTIRELY situational based

ive had buddies run upgraded vf w/ large tmic and have a real smooth powerban and some friends (though i dont suggest) go w/ the "ebay special" fmic and have good results as well but usually there is more work in little mods and making it fit "righr" that can get frustrating, its completly up to you which way ya go but imo dont go the cheap route cause its avl, wait and sava and you will be much happier; you asked for our advice and there it is, and no tune or fuel upgrades w/ turbo upgrade and mashin it???

, wheeew you been lucky not to gernade, get a good tune and prev stated upgrades you'll be fine.. good luck

**Anub1s** · 10-13-2010 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by cjm1991

1. You say the exact thing I said, a FMIC is better than a POS stock TMIC.

2. I never wrote that anywhere, in fact I just said an upgraded intercooler should be used.

Its not situational based, its personal preference. We aren't all going for the best most well rounded subaru in the world. I buy parts that I think will benefit my car, and myself when driving or looking at it. If I wanted to have a car with 15k of parts it wouldnt be a subaru trust me.

I said the same thing you said, with a condition. We don't know what his goals are, and it's impossible to give a GOOD recommendation without that information. So, when I say that it's horrible advice to toss out the FMIC suggestion just because he's on the stock TMIC, I mean it. It wasn't directed solely at you.

We've been down this road before. Not everybody is looking to squeeze every last HP out of their motors. Some people actually care about how the part affects the way that the car drives, and from an autocrossers perspective, an FMIC would be one of the worst things I could possibly think of to install on my personal vehicle. Why? Because I'd lose more in drivability than I would gain in power. I'd be waiting that extra second or two for the turbo to be able to pressurize the piping, intercooler, and manifold rather than the almost immediate response I get with a TMIC.

It is situation based, absolutely, with personal preference mixed in, and only so far as what your goals are. It's only 100% preference when you don't actually care what it does for your car, and just do what's "cool" to you, or looks good. Not everybody is looking for useless HP/TQ numbers, most people will tell you how it feels is what is important, not the numbers gained, in order to get the kind of performance you WANT (preference) you need to get what parts fit in your equation for your ultimate goal (situation). If you only get parts you WANT, you have no regard for what it actually DOES. Make sense?

The only point I'm trying to make here, is that we should avoid tossing out suggestions when we don't know what his goals are. FMICs are great for certain situations, but not all of them, same for TMICs, but we should avoid any kind of suggestion until we can pinpoint what he wants from his car.

**cjm1991** · 10-13-2010 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anub1s

I said the same thing you said, with a condition. We don't know what his goals are, and it's impossible to give a GOOD recommendation without that information. So, when I say that it's horrible advice to toss out the FMIC suggestion just because he's on the stock TMIC, I mean it. It wasn't directed solely at you.

We've been down this road before. Not everybody is looking to squeeze every last HP out of their motors. Some people actually care about how the part affects the way that the car drives, and from an autocrossers perspective, an FMIC would be one of the worst things I could possibly think of to install on my personal vehicle. Why? Because I'd lose more in drivability than I would gain in power. I'd be waiting that extra second or two for the turbo to be able to pressurize the piping, intercooler, and manifold rather than the almost immediate response I get with a TMIC.

It is situation based, absolutely, with personal preference mixed in, and only so far as what your goals are. It's only 100% preference when you don't actually care what it does for your car, and just do what's "cool" to you, or looks good. Not everybody is looking for useless HP/TQ numbers, most people will tell you how it feels is what is important, not the numbers gained, in order to get the kind of performance you WANT (preference) you need to get what parts fit in your equation for your ultimate goal (situation). If you only get parts you WANT, you have no regard for what it actually DOES. Make sense?

The only point I'm trying to make here, is that we should avoid tossing out suggestions when we don't know what his goals are. FMICs are great for certain situations, but not all of them, same for TMICs, but we should avoid any kind of suggestion until we can pinpoint what he wants from his car.

You said this way better than i could, so I certainly agree with everything. My bad for sounding like I did.

OP What ebay intercooler are you considering?

**lucaslovesboost** · 10-13-2010 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by cjm1991

You said this way better than i could, so I certainly agree with everything. My bad for sounding like I did.

OP What ebay intercooler are you considering?

i was looking the ebay fmic kit on ebay for like 270 or something..

**EJ257** · 10-14-2010 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by lucaslovesboost

think i might just order it and hope for the best its only 300 bucks worst case senerio i get a brand name intercooler and ill still have all the piping..

Piping/couplers are often the biggest problems