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    hi, yesterday i tried 1 moth ball as an octane booster cause i was advised to and somehow it really worked for me.. it lower my ping a lot. but dont really know if it is safe, altough i still think if it prevents my motor from detonating,, somehow it should be safe...
    btw i can see it on my apexi.. ( knock sensor )..
    i also use Lucas Oil Octane booster which for me is one of the best. but a bit expensive for where i'm from..
    any comments on the moth?


    i dont really know in which section to post this..
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    haha i never knew that worked!
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    If you're having to resort to snake oil and automotive myths to increase octane to get rid of detonation (or really at all period) then you have other issues and shouldn't be driving your car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Findus11 View Post
    haha i never knew that worked!
    It doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziperx View Post
    hi, yesterday i tried 1 moth ball as an octane booster cause i was advised to and somehow it really worked for me..
    I had to think about this a bit. You are either using naphthalene or dichlorobenzene. I think dichlorobenzene is more likely.

    it lower my ping a lot. but dont really know if it is safe, altough i still think if it prevents my motor from detonating,, somehow it should be safe...
    What makes you say it "somehow should be safe?" And safe for whom? If you mean safe for you, no, it's not; dichlorobenzene is a carcinogen.

    Safe for the motor? Why is your motor not working correctly? I'd recommend fixing your timing or boost issues rather than relying on additives.

    Incidentally, octane boosters are generally a waste of money - but at least they're used for their intended purpose in this case. The closest people generally come to your approach is using methyl benzene (toluene) in their motors. This tends to work a lot better than bottled octane boosters but there are practical drawbacks and in the end it's still IMO a band-aid "solution" unless you are switching maps and have a bespoke hi-oct map to select as needed plus can run the car on pump gas when needed.

    Again, I'd fix the car.
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    I use mothballs in my lawnmower for two reasons.

    1: When I'm cutting the lawn no mosquito will come within 100 yards of me.

    2: My lawnmower ****ing flies now. I can cut my lawn in half the time. It even shaved down that pesky stump I neglected to take out when I cut a tree down. I can't wait to get that biach on the dyno!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    I had to think about this a bit. You are either using naphthalene or dichlorobenzene. I think dichlorobenzene is more likely.

    What makes you say it "somehow should be safe?" And safe for whom? If you mean safe for you, no, it's not; dichlorobenzene is a carcinogen.

    Safe for the motor? Why is your motor not working correctly? I'd recommend fixing your timing or boost issues rather than relying on additives.

    Incidentally, octane boosters are generally a waste of money - but at least they're used for their intended purpose in this case. The closest people generally come to your approach is using methyl benzene (toluene) in their motors. This tends to work a lot better than bottled octane boosters but there are practical drawbacks and in the end it's still IMO a band-aid "solution" unless you are switching maps and have a bespoke hi-oct map to select as needed plus can run the car on pump gas when needed.

    Again, I'd fix the car.
    im just saying..where im from their aren't any dyno's for awd.. my car is somehow tuned on the streets, but need some more tuning.. also our fuel here is very ****.. i think the worst.. not even 86 octane.... so i really in need of some advices and solutions....

    today i contact someone at our refinery that works in the lab to check if it is safe by mixing it with our ****ty fuel... if he could find out how much higher the octane will be after mixing a few moth balls in it..

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    It is advisable only to tune for the highest octane you can get on a consistant basis. What if you can't find the exact brand booster you've been using? Or run out of mothballs? You're stuck with a daily driver tune you can't use.

    Where do you live btw?

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    aruba

    i live in Aruba.. thats in the caribbean...

    we have only one fuel here,, beside c16 and q16. but those are way expensive..

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    Quote Originally Posted by brfatal View Post
    Or run out of mothballs?
    thanks a lot...I just peed myself

    If I had C16 and 88 or whatever I think I would find an affordable constant mix of 3 parts regular gas, 1 part c16 or something to that effect...not a great solution by any means but neither is putting in mothballs or just running crappy gas all the time.

    I would just hate to see your car get ruined for any reason. Did you import your car? I'm surprised they would sell a 91+ octane only vehicle to a location without any better grade than 88??

    Something else to ponder...if you think race gas is expensive, try replacing a blown motor...careful & good luck!
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    If I had C16 and 88 or whatever I think I would find an affordable constant mix of 3 parts regular gas, 1 part c16 or something to that effect...not a great solution by any means but neither is putting in mothballs or just running crappy gas all the time.

    I would just hate to see your car get ruined for any reason. Did you import your car? I'm surprised they would sell a 91+ octane only vehicle to a location without any better grade than 88??

    Something else to ponder...if you think race gas is expensive, try replacing a blown motor...careful & good luck![/QUOTE]


    Here in Aruba there are like a few hundreds JDM cars atm.. all imported.. so u mean i should buy some race gas and just mix bit by bit with our crappy fuel?? not a bad idea.. btw, i just tried it once. im a normal octane booster user. .. here 1 gallon of c16 or q16 is like 18 bucks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziperx View Post
    Here in Aruba there are like a few hundreds JDM cars atm.. all imported.. so u mean i should buy some race gas and just mix bit by bit with our crappy fuel?? not a bad idea.. btw, i just tried it once. im a normal octane booster user. .. here 1 gallon of c16 or q16 is like 18 bucks..
    Well, I just said that is probably what I would try doing. I don't want to recommend anything that I haven't actually tried myself but that should certainly boost the octane.

    Really I would try to get the car tuned for the grade of petrol available in Aruba. If you can't find a local tuner then I recommend you purchase a Tactrix cable and see if you can get someone online...XPT possibly, to make you a safe map.

    Only problem I can see with that is the purpose of owning a car like the WRX is sort of defeated because the low octane fuel really limits your potential.

    If you have a friend who can tell you the octane of a moth ball then maybe you could have them work out a steady formula, for example: adding 1/4 gallon of c16 to every 10 gallons will net you an overall octane rating of 93 for that tank, or something like that. Definitely not convenient, but better than handicapping your car due to poor fuel choices...IMO

    Good luck either way...hopefully you can come up with a viable solution that works for you!
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    Lundy just sent me this calculator today. It'll help you immensely!

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    We were looking at it because 12 gallons of 91 and 2 gallons of e85 should equal 93.... but that's a different story.
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