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    Okay, a few things:
    First, I agree in that this is a totally electrical problem that's causing a mechanical one. It has to do with either 1 of 2 things: how your TGV's are set up (1) or motor timing (2).
    1. Without proper signal output (meaning properly connected to the right terminals, as well as the proper vaccum lines, etc.) you've essentially got what equates to miss-fire / mis-sequencing of the TGV's due to bad or missing data. (example: take a car with an old school distributor, and just swap the spark plugs wires around. The mis-firing due to the sequence will cause it to almost not run, as you'll be firing off when the cylinders are in the wrong position).
    2. When this motor was put in, its was somehow put out of time. The clearance in the motor will allow it to run, but you'll have pretty ineffiencent timing. Get a timming light and if you can get it to idle, check the timing degrees to the proper setting. If you keep driving, essentally the computer is attempting to retard the timming to make up for all the mis-firing its seeing at the sensor level.

    I tend to lean more towards 1. Now with that said, you can either:

    A. Attempt to reconnect the TGV setups properly. You'll need to get a manual to see where the wires hook-up, and check to see if mis-sequencing has fouled whats looks like 3 of the TGV's.
    B. Do what a lot of people do and delete them all together. There are a TON on threads on that, so no need to write any more of a novel here. TGV deletes are a common performance Mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anub1s View Post
    Here is an exploded view of what should be connected to your TGV's, this is from the manual for the 02-03 WRX's.

    Thanks, that help alot

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckster27 View Post
    Okay, a few things:
    First, I agree in that this is a totally electrical problem that's causing a mechanical one. It has to do with either 1 of 2 things: how your TGV's are set up (1) or motor timing (2).
    1. Without proper signal output (meaning properly connected to the right terminals, as well as the proper vaccum lines, etc.) you've essentially got what equates to miss-fire / mis-sequencing of the TGV's due to bad or missing data. (example: take a car with an old school distributor, and just swap the spark plugs wires around. The mis-firing due to the sequence will cause it to almost not run, as you'll be firing off when the cylinders are in the wrong position).
    2. When this motor was put in, its was somehow put out of time. The clearance in the motor will allow it to run, but you'll have pretty ineffiencent timing. Get a timming light and if you can get it to idle, check the timing degrees to the proper setting. If you keep driving, essentally the computer is attempting to retard the timming to make up for all the mis-firing its seeing at the sensor level.

    I tend to lean more towards 1. Now with that said, you can either:

    A. Attempt to reconnect the TGV setups properly. You'll need to get a manual to see where the wires hook-up, and check to see if mis-sequencing has fouled whats looks like 3 of the TGV's.
    B. Do what a lot of people do and delete them all together. There are a TON on threads on that, so no need to write any more of a novel here. TGV deletes are a common performance Mod.
    Okay i'll just delete the tgv's, i'll look up on that, i'll update when done. Any other requests from anybody is much welcome. And thank you Truckster.

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    Now, the other part:

    Wow, 84 views, 1 reply. bump!
    Insulting people who reviewed your problem is not the way to get them to give you helpful information. If they weren't 100% sure of the anwser, why post it? If its wrong you'll be all over him/her. Perhaps the reason why there was no response is you're 3 blurry pics didn't help, and instead of a half-baked guess decided to let someone who really knows answer.

    Okay, basically what others have said, so I'm outnumbered,
    Hey, after complaining about not enough help, you get a few answers and now don't like what you hear?

    Btw this is a used engine I bought, the mechanic put some parts of the old engine(which explains why I had an extra manifold [belonging to the bought engine] in my trunk) that we're better than the one I bought, well thats what the mechanic said.
    Better really know this! Note that different year WRX's use different means of Throttle positioning (Either cable driven or solenoid driven). If there were components of that system swapped, your computer is sending/looking for different voltages from this unit. If he swapped the entire throttle system, that could be an issue. This "parts we used from the other engine" could be an important part. Not sure of course...

    He was the one that told me the problem, I then later discovered it, he put in my engine for free, and you know ej20s are a hassle, but he doesn't know where the hose goes either.
    Hassle, yes. But when you take a motor apart that you don't know, how do you not mark where the wires / hoses originated from? Free's no good if you blow a motor and have to buy another!

    The specialist from Meineke said that the cel p1086 might be causing the erroneous idling, the engine stall, and the poor driving performance
    How does this equate? The Throttle Positioning Sensors and idle control sensors are what control the crappy idle, acceleration/etc. And why TGV2 and not 1? Perhaps the TGV mis-sequance is causing the throttle to open wider then it should at the RPMs its attempting to operate at?

    -P1094 Tumble generator valve circuit #1 (opencircuit)

    -P1096 Tumble generator valve circuit #2 (opencircuit)
    This almost definitley means these 2 are not connected. That's where you should start!

    Good luck! Don't take this as an insult, just giving you a few recommendations for the future. You get more help with a nicer pitch, even if you never meant it to come off rude. Internet talking can be tough to come off the way you really mean
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    And thank you Truckster.
    You're welcome. Trust me, If I wasn't so far away, I'd give you a hand!
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    You're right man, and I'm sorry everyone. Plus I didn't mean to sound rude, I was just bummed, but i'll look to the other options, and thanks again man, I'll keep everyone updated once I try what you've said, I think I may have to print them lol

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