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    OK.... moment of truth........

    Who is going to order a '15 WRX or STi?

    I'll start..... I most likely will order an STi unless the reviews reveal that there isn't much noticeble difference between the two.....
    or that the WRX is actually better...... (which would be hard to believe)....

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    I have to say I like how the STI looks better than the WRX for some reason. IDK why but I think the obnoxious giant wing works with the rest of the body. I also like how the STI still has the 2.5 and likely unequal length headers so there is still some boxer rumble. I do not like the fact that there is no more typical boxer noise on the WRX.

    That being said, I'm hoping to be able to find a 2014 WRX when I'm going to buy around May this year. However, if there aren't any hatches to be found, I may be laying down an order for a 2015!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vweater1369 View Post
    I have to say I like how the STI looks better than the WRX for some reason. IDK why but I think the obnoxious giant wing works with the rest of the body. I also like how the STI still has the 2.5 and likely unequal length headers so there is still some boxer rumble. I do not like the fact that there is no more typical boxer noise on the WRX.

    That being said, I'm hoping to be able to find a 2014 WRX when I'm going to buy around May this year. However, if there aren't any hatches to be found, I may be laying down an order for a 2015!
    I'm sure there will be plenty of dumb people who swap ELH to UELH to get their boxer rumble back.
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    I'm keeping my 09 for a while. I want a more aggressive look from the 4th gen first

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    New to forum. I do plan to buy a new STI in the next year. Need something more fun to drive that has 4 doors and a manual TRANS. Currently drive a 2010 altima 3.5

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    I'm content with my '12. However if i was in the market for a new car, I'd be in a rough spot because I'd have to choose between awd and a hatchback. After having an awd car with winter tires.. Going back to 2wd would be a tough sell.. And the overall usefulness of a hatchback isn't so much of a preference, but somewhat of a necessity for me.

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    IMO it would not be a good idea to get the 2015 STI. Why would you want to get a car with an outdated engine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drews View Post
    I'm sure there will be plenty of dumb people who swap ELH to UELH to get their boxer rumble back.
    To be 100% honest, I'd be interested in seeing what the performance losses are for doing the reverse switch. But to play devil's advocate, does that make people dumb for not making the switch to ELH on their current rides?


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    IMO it would not be a good idea to get the 2015 STI. Why would you want to get a car with an outdated engine?
    The same reason why it is unlikely that you replace yourcomputer every year as it becomes outdated. Being a huge fan and former owner of a 4G63T... I would say the same reason why people bought Evo IX's in 2006 when the 4G63T has been on the streets since the late 80's. Or why people still swap in Ford 5.0's and LSX's into anything and everything. Sometimes you can't beat tried and true.

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    So you're saying the engine isn't worth it? I don't know subarus like you guys do but seems like people love the engines and the cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superbad View Post
    So you're saying the engine isn't worth it? I don't know subarus like you guys do but seems like people love the engines and the cars.
    We're saying that the EJ257 is based on a design that is 3 decades old. It's not a bad engine per se, but there are numerous enhancements the FA20 boasts over the EJ257:
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    Quote Originally Posted by vweater1369 View Post
    But to play devil's advocate, does that make people dumb for not making the switch to ELH on their current rides?
    In a sense it does: ELH is one of the few "perfect modifications" that only improves performance with no downsides.

    Quote Originally Posted by vweater1369 View Post
    The same reason why it is unlikely that you replace yourcomputer every year as it becomes outdated. Being a huge fan and former owner of a 4G63T... I would say the same reason why people bought Evo IX's in 2006 when the 4G63T has been on the streets since the late 80's. Or why people still swap in Ford 5.0's and LSX's into anything and everything. Sometimes you can't beat tried and true.
    I will not argue that the iron block is stronger in the 4G63, but you have to admit that the 4B11T is all-around a much better motor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vweater1369 View Post
    To be 100% honest, I'd be interested in seeing what the performance losses are for doing the reverse switch. But to play devil's advocate, does that make people dumb for not making the switch to ELH on their current rides?
    Or... To play advocate to the devils advocate.. Does that make Subaru engineers dumb for using UELH in the first place?

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    If I never see another 4G63 it'll be too soon. But that's another story.

    The new Subaru motors do seem like a step in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zax View Post
    In a sense it does: ELH is one of the few "perfect modifications" that only improves performance with no downsides.



    I will not argue that the iron block is stronger in the 4G63, but you have to admit that the 4B11T is all-around a much better motor.
    I agree, it is an all around better package. I was just using that as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichD514 View Post
    Or... To play advocate to the devils advocate.. Does that make Subaru engineers dumb for using UELH in the first place?


    Quote Originally Posted by SD_GR View Post
    If I never see another 4G63 it'll be too soon. But that's another story.
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