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This is a discussion on Project Hatch (aka project grocery getter part II) within the Everyday Impreza Talk forums, part of the Community - Meet other Enthusiasts category; Originally Posted by Big Sky WRX might be an optical illusion- shorter bumper?????? surprised that some of the type R's ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Sky WRX View Post
    might be an optical illusion- shorter bumper??????

    surprised that some of the type R's are running 275- would have never guessed
    I didn't check out the Audi, but looks like it's got some pretty wide meat on it as well.......
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    I noticed that- have always loved the look of the TT- a little too small in the interior for my needs (amongst other nit picking items )
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    So I cut a new bracket for the swaybar today. I also trimmed a pair of the washers included with the brackets so they would fit with the flanged nut, but it started bending into the bracket mounting slot, so I removed it. I was able to keep a washer on the top mount in the pic. I may get larger washers in the future when I remove it for the winter and decide to reuse it.

    Old mount.

    New mount.
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    thanks for posting those, was wondering how they lined up

    I really think the zerk idea is a simple, but good one (vs removing the bar)
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    Mike, generally when you have a friend that does you a big favor, you give them a 6 pack. When your tire mounter puts 275s on 6" wide wheels (ITR), you generally have to give them a half barrel keg .

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    after watching my tire guy cuss and moan getting the 245 A6's on my 7" rims, I can only imagine what it would be like getting 275's on a 6" rim
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    So much, great information in this thread. Just started auto-xing this year, super fun can't wait till next year.

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    More thread jacking..........

    Well the 29mm bar has been off for 3 events now, and I'll be sticking with the WL 24mm bar until/if I can ever get a response from Niles to make a 26mm bar, which is what I think will work best for me. Hell, if possible, I'd get a 26.5mm because I'm on the fence about a 27mm bar, but would rather err smaller. If not, the 25mm Ralitek. Going back to the smaller bar has allowed the nose to stick way better in offsets and sweepers, and required me to relearn trust in the front grip. At this point I believe the bar is detrimental to the cars overall autox performance and would not run such a large bar again except on concrete, with fresh tires, in warm weather(Someone with money, who lives in Cali!). And even then, I think 28mm would be best. I swear, pulling that bar off felt like I unwelded the two sides of the suspension.

    At the same time, I have aging tires that are losing grip and I believe the tires have lost their utmost competitiveness with 60-65 runs. I drove them hard, for sure. They're at 80 runs now, and unless it's above 60 for the last event next week, I'm on streets. I ran a little experiment last weekend for our 2 event weekend. Dunlop Star Specs(3 events, 8k miles) in the morning for 3 runs, R-comps in the afternoon for 3 runs, to give them the maximum advantage. Weather was not favorable for r-comps though at 55-60 each day, partly sunny. I was faster the first day on streets by .4, but it was dirty(+1). Considering I hadn't ran streets since May, and was running 1st heat, I could've been much cleaner and faster. Second day I was faster by .2 on the r-comps, but dirty(+3), which was an all out overdriving, light up the tires everywhere cause they're dead in my book run. I also had tire blankets on them that a friend borrowed me as well, so they were warm. I was 1.1 sec behind the streets at that point. Hard to figure weather and wear factors together, but there certainly was no r-comp advantage at this point. It was strange though that the grip from the r-comps could be felt, over the streets, but were not faster. I took a friend for a ride with the r-comps on and I ran what we thought was a great run, only to be 1.4 off the streets from the morning.

    This was a very frustrating year and figuring car setup ain't easy, but I think I about have it figured out and can start fresh next year, on Hoosiers, and get a trophy at Nationals.
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    no hijack- great info!

    I've been told that when R compounds are "done"- they're really done- basically heat cycled out; w/ street tires sometimes the very last bit of tread is the best

    I wouldn't be surprised if Niles can do a 26.5mm bar- I wonder if he could do one like WL did w/ the previous gen Impreza's- it was a 24mm bar in the center w/ adj 27mm "ends"- not sure how to work out the math on roll stiffness, but clearly firmer than a 24mm bar, but less than a straight 27mm bar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Sky WRX View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Niles can do a 26.5mm bar- I wonder if he could do one like WL did w/ the previous gen Impreza's- it was a 24mm bar in the center w/ adj 27mm "ends"- not sure how to work out the math on roll stiffness, but clearly firmer than a 24mm bar, but less than a straight 27mm bar
    I thought our adjustable front WL bars were 24-26mm, but I don't see the reference to 26mm when I last looked. Even if so, I don't believe the 26mm setting truely would equal a solid 26mm bar, so I will have one made. The other option for the GD's was the 27-29mm, which was a solid 27mm right? Wish that would fit........
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    24/26 supposedly- I agree that the small movement in the stiffer hole would not likely yield the same stiffness as a solid 26mm bar

    the old 27mm GD bar was 24mm through the center section than thickened out to 27mm at the bends- kind of a unique design
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    Wayne, Niles is having back problems so he's not doing bars for 2-3 months. He said he'd get back to me when he's feeling up to it. He said I get to pick the diameter and he'll do it for $300 shipped, so I assume he could do you a stock geometry solid 26.5mm.

    Now you have me confused. I'm running a 25mm Perrin on stiff (not sure if that's considered 26mm if it were an OEM geometry solid bar or what). Since I've got the Koni's and new star specs (I run street tire class) and I run 5psi lower in the rear (47f, 42r), the car rotates like a dream. Just the most modest lift of the throttle mid turn and it rotates. Trailbraking late into a turn and it rotates. Anyway, I almost feel like I want more bar, and I'm not even on r comps. And you are saying you want less bar. Hmmmmmm .

    Maybe different driving styles?

    EDIT: Wow, you got 80 runs out of your v710s? I'd think our cars would eat them up. So you think 60 runs are feasible on A6s? Have you flipped your kuhmos yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09rexwagon View Post
    Wayne, Niles is having back problems so he's not doing bars for 2-3 months. He said he'd get back to me when he's feeling up to it. He said I get to pick the diameter and he'll do it for $300 shipped, so I assume he could do you a stock geometry solid 26.5mm.

    Now you have me confused. I'm running a 25mm Perrin on stiff (not sure if that's considered 26mm if it were an OEM geometry solid bar or what). Since I've got the Koni's and new star specs (I run street tire class) and I run 5psi lower in the rear (47f, 42r), the car rotates like a dream. Just the most modest lift of the throttle mid turn and it rotates. Trailbraking late into a turn and it rotates. Anyway, I almost feel like I want more bar, and I'm not even on r comps. And you are saying you want less bar. Hmmmmmm .

    Maybe different driving styles?

    EDIT: Wow, you got 80 runs out of your v710s? I'd think our cars would eat them up. So you think 60 runs are feasible on A6s? Have you flipped your kuhmos yet?
    Well it was the switch back to the 24mm bar that gave me more perspective. It's been noted over and over, with a stock Impeza you need a big FSB. I know why this is recommended, so I tried my best to make it work. I realize either I can't drive it correctly or it really doesn't help the car overall. I had a couple of good moments with it and noted such here, but in the end, over the course of a year in varying conditions, a smaller bar will be better.

    You talk of how easy the car is to rotate, which I don't find. Nuetral is how I describe the car with our similar setups, and it takes work to make turn while trying to put down all the power you can and hold your line. Maybe that statement reveals my problem........

    As far as the tires go, I should have never flipped them at 55 runs. I wasted an event breaking them in the other way and then they were off pace, which is why I said 60-65 good runs in an earlier post. At this point, I could easily get another 30+ runs on them before they'd wear out physically, but I don't like the idea of being on race tires and losing to guys on street tires that I can beat on street tires. It would have been best just to run them one way and maybe cord the edge in 80 runs without flipping because they'd be heat cycled out anyway. I would hope to get 40 good runs out of the Hoosiers........
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    Well maybe I should qualify that I've been autocrossing this car on stock dampers on blah tires for about a year, so I guess any easily attainable rotation is a lot for me, so maybe my context is a bit different than you since you've been on Koni's for a lot longer than me.

    So no, the WRX doesn't rotate like a BMW or a Miata . But relative to times past, it seems to rotate a lot better.

    I've found when I try to be aggressive in sweepers, I ALWAYS do worse than if I do a nice steady steering angle, and steer with the throttle and drive the most ideal line. But I'm still relatively new to autocrossing so I still have a lot to learn.

    It's interesting too that 2superbus on Nasioc runs his 08 STI in BS (on street tires) and he said that he absolutely hated more than a 22mm FSB on his.

    We have a non points event in November, so maybe I'll put my Perrin on the softer setting and see how the car feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09rexwagon View Post
    It's interesting too that 2superbus on Nasioc runs his 08 STI in BS (on street tires) and he said that he absolutely hated more than a 22mm FSB on his.
    A lot of that is driving style. Understeer absolutely kills him and that's what a large front bar brings into play. He comes in hot into pretty much every corner, yanks on the wheel to get the car to rotate, and then hammers on the gas to let the diffs pull the car out of the corner. It works perfect with the STi and he's blazing fast like that.

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