very very funny guys. thanks to those that do reply with a logical answer, and no joking around. I wouldn't even waste my time if I was posting to just make a joke. Doesn't make sense to me. Anywho, it sounds like the RFL is not a reliable at the Forge, but the Forge isn't as loud as the RFL, which I don't really the loudest BOV on the market. I just want a nice clean pssssshhh.